Justin Trosclair 0:02
Episode 29 this clinical yoga belong and healthcare paradigm plus women’s health issues. Dr. Justin Foursquare and today, Dr. Lisa Holland perspective

for doctors who want a thriving practice and abundant home life listen as your host, Dr. Justin Charles Claire goes behind the curtain and interviews doctors and guess about real real trial. practical tips. On this episode of a doctor’s perspective, once again, we’re continuing with women’s spotlight. Today we have a Doctor of Physical Therapy on she was one of the first have a cash practice in North Carolina. She seriously integrates yoga as a core part of her allopathic base PT clinic. she deals with women’s health specialties like pelvic floor rehab, again, yoga strengthening, and today we’re going to discuss things like is you just a glorified yoga teacher? How do you deal with that? She doesn’t mentoring we discuss woman’s role in the workplace motherhood, micro practice and a few other pretty cool topics that I think you’re going to enjoy. All the show notes can be found at a doctor’s perspective, net slash to nine. Let’s go hashtag behind the curtain.

Alright, podcast today, we’re gonna continue our women’s spotlight with the cash based physical therapists, Dr. Lisa Holland, aka the guru goddess, hashtag, the curvy hustler. Welcome to the show.

Unknown 1:30
Thank you so much, Justin. Yeah, it’s kind of funny that that’s, that’s sort of evolved, I actually started my business and my business name is belly guru LLC. And for the first probably eight years or so I’ve been in business a little over 11 years, almost 12 years. That was my, my, my pseudo pseudo, you know, alter ego, the belly guru. And about three years ago, I realized that I was always speaking with women, but it had expanded to more of a movement and an attitude and definitely getting the leaders themselves into that curvy hustle. And and I’ve always been involved in the yoga as part of the main yoga therapy being the center, or at least the philosophy that I’ve mixed in with my allopathic background in rehab medicine. And so they work a lot with the goddesses and Shakti and Feminine Empowerment. So I sort of went off with that. So yes, Guru goddess, and now I’m in Charlotte, North Carolina, based out of it, but I’ve moved actually virtually and working a lot with mom printers, health leader Mont printers, in particular, obviously, a lot of physical therapists, because they’re in my tribe already. That’s who I speak to. But also I’m very involved in the International Association of yoga therapist, just with a couple of other people started a special interest group of licensed healthcare providers who are aligned with that to help that grow as that’s starting with some more defined standards and yoga therapy, verse yoga teaching. And so it’s really exciting to now be speaking to people like you and China and other other health leaders. And that was my hope, in doing so. So that, you know, I still carry as a small clinical case load, but I definitely see my next step in being that of, of the mentor role, which I think all of us sort of get to that point of being, you know, the guru guide for our patients. And then, you know, at some point, you realize, gosh, you can give that next generation of health leaders, so much background, especially if if you own a business, or you’ve, you know, you’ve learned from your mistakes, if you’ve done this personal journey, which is what I’ve done, is this personal development work along the way, you realize that’s what it’s all about passing the baton.

Justin Trosclair 3:53
Well, okay, so let’s I want to step back. He said so much, I’m starting, I’m going to get a hand cramp already.

So you went to physical therapy school? And then at some point, you were obviously got really into yoga. And then you did you integrate it, the yoga and the physical therapy pretty strongly. Is that something that people will kind of look down on, as, you know, some people look at physical therapy, like what you’re supposed to do this, you supposed to do that? And if you incorporate both of these while you’re off on your own little plantation now that was that a thing? Yes.

Unknown 4:25
Yes, I actually started at sports medicine, I got my undergrad and athletic training, sports medicine and for the first 10 years of my career, I was you know that PTA TC, personal training certifications on top of that very sports medicine, orthopedic oriented. And I got into women’s health about 10 years into it. And when I switched into women’s health, it was definitely catalyzed by my involvement in yoga for my own personal health. I started that through pregnancy because everything I’ve learned as a physical therapist wasn’t going to work for my, my obvious sciatic then pot. And it turned out I probably herniated a disc.

Unknown 5:08
And

Unknown 5:10
that that what I had learned at the time, I Kenzie, and all the all the stuff of the of the 90s that I had learned when I was in physical therapy school and athletic trainers wasn’t going to work while I had a seventh month belly there. And women’s health, physical therapy was not really something yet. I mean, there was some people working with pregnancy. pelvic floor rehab was like non existent. I mean, there were people doing it, but in pocket, so I got more involved in that and yoga, just so naturally, with such a nice mind body system. And so much of the healing, I always realize because working with athletic, athletic training, you talk the athlete that way, you knew you had to get their head in the game, even when they were off the field for injury. And when I went to physical therapy school, I that wasn’t the case, they sort of said, everything. You know, they said they separate everything into specializations. And those are the only people that can ask certain questions, and you and I just always approached it as the whole person. So it was very natural to to bring yoga into my life and as a stress management technique, and then see the benefit. And then I naturally when I opened up my own practice belly guru, when I moved to Charlotte in 2005, it was a wellness center. It wasn’t necessarily I never opened up a physical therapy office because it wasn’t smart business move down here. Um, it was a wellness center. And that was the wellness, that holistic model off of yoga. And then yes, I was a unicorn. I was somebody who was my colleagues thought was crazy. How could you just be seen as a yoga teacher, I know was very ego. And I was like, Well, how could you just do what you’re not even able to do with the system? You know, so I just didn’t care. I knew what I doing and what I was here for. And that evolved and I actually opened up the first I believe I opened up the first cash hundred percent cash based physical therapy practice in the Carolinas, at least in North Carolina. I opened up the first it ended up being the first freestanding, integrated, integrated physical therapy and yoga studio in Charlotte. For a long while there was an eye anger studio that is technically therapeutic, but they weren’t ness, yoga therapy wasn’t their main gig. Things have evolved. So and that I’m doing you know now I just feel like the baton been passed because now there’s so much more talk the IIT which is the International Association of yoga therapist. There’s, there’s thousands of integrative healers, MDS, PA, nurses, you know, using yoga, women’s health is become more popular pelvic floor health, how that integrates in orthopedics has become more popular. So I think now it’s making sure people are loud enough such as you and myself, as I’m sure you can agree, not a lot of health providers, licensed health providers have podcasts, talking conversations about the people you’d work with or the procedures that they can do.

Justin Trosclair 8:18
So then a couple of follow ups would I’ll say to and then you can answer it kind of however you want. It seems like you You carved a niche. And then now over the last 10 years, that niche is slowly being eroded because everybody else is like, Oh yeah, you can do all these different things and women’s health the follow up part of that is the final what I’ve heard the buzzword women’s health we know pregnancy, we know public for what else does that incorporate?

Unknown 8:42
It depends on who you’re speaking with. With me, it’s a very holistic model. I think in my profession, women’s health, physical therapists, they’ve actually changed their changing the name to abdominal pelvic health in some way. They’re very concentrated on. I mean, they have tangents into you know, abdominal pelvic means we could be working with, you know, we physical therapists work with dysfunctions. And we’ve always were basically the original functional medicine practitioners, because we always looked at the body saying, Where is the functional issue here, we know the diagnosis, but like why, because like, there could be five different functional reasons why you have impinged upon a nerve, or you have or even having sciatica that does not involve any male alignment or impingement. So I think women’s health itself isn’t a bit of an identity crisis, as is the whole profession of physical therapy, because they’re trying to niche because they understand that’s the whole business aspect, or calling them abdominal pelvic, but in reality and how I practice, it’s completely holistic, in the deepest, deepest bio psycho social model, because people are complex, but definitely working on a 30 day cycle of hormonal changes, physiological, neuro chemistry, all that brain science, all that gut, brain science, all of these things can be altered by the hormones stress in our environment, dealing with the HPA axis. So it’s, it’s a completely holistic model of approaching women and understanding they’re not just many men, and bringing in the science of how our brains are different how our neuro chemistry is different, how our biology is different. And so of course, it’s going to be focused in the function of where we’re different than men.

Unknown 10:39
But I definitely think I practice my definition of women’s health is a completely holistic experience and model that that respects the fact that there is a power and unfortunately, a nominal know of the power of our cycles and the heart and what that does to our brain and, and how that actually makes us very, very smart for business and strategy and, and communication and connection and, and then bringing that into our body, that relationship with ourselves because that has been definitely eroded. And we’ve really, as we’ve become dismembered women themselves have really dismembered themselves from their bodies from body love issues and stuff. So I think it’s for the practitioner going into women’s health, I hope. And I unfortunately, I see people come out of physical therapy school, now, their whole focus is the vagina and the pelvic floor, and the manual care of that, and the identified dysfunction, and they’re not even necessarily bringing it into the whole big function of the deep core. And, and we need to, you know, fix that a little bit. But the ones that have been in like me that started with the deep core, are definitely integrating it in the whole body and then rep, then bringing in the woman’s unique

Justin Trosclair 12:03
step two is focusing on exactly what your man’s needs versus a woman’s need. And even like a teenager, teenager woman is going to be a lot different than a flood your kids,

Unknown 12:13
right, and like natural specific, right, so we work with cultural specific, it’s just relating that also to the gender and where they identify with

Unknown 12:24
competition your state.

Unknown 12:27
Yes.

Justin Trosclair 12:30
Just when you say holistic that, so you’re going to have obviously all the physical stuff you may do, I guess, in some nutritional type things, as well as trying to compliment with, I guess, whatever world view of spiritual soul type of mentality, you know, yoga can kind of go into that energy type of thing. But you can kind of bring it into different levels on the whatever the person is kind of looking is kind of missing or struggling with. Yeah, I want to say, you know, spiritually or whatever, but you can kind of tell when someone’s kind of down in the down in the dumps, like I, there’s something else we need to address on top of everything else, or you may not see the results you’re looking for, because your your your, your brain is going to interfere with the healing as well.

Unknown 13:07
Right. One thing, one thing that I think, you know, I was a physical therapist before there was a Doctor of Physical Therapy. So I went back and and got my degree to the highest level. And in doing so, I definitely saw where the yoga or the the perspective of personal development. And I also have, you know, you’re speaking to somebody who has trained in a bit of a eclectic way, bringing in the health coaching and the coaching people out of pay, I really feel like coach people out of pain, I just happened to be able to read where their pain is on multiple levels. And people find me, because other systems that have segmented them into pieces have failed. Because at that point, you know, at the point of becoming a chronic pain or persistent in pain problem, at the point of it being a persistent dysfunction that you’ve made numerous, numerous layers of compensation over, you just can’t expect you fixed one piece. And then the secondary thing just follows. And then the third tertiary thing follows. And so, for me, yes, if you’re working with with me, it also takes a certain client, which again, I’ve learned over the years, what who is my most ideal client that I can bring my best services to, and that has evolved as I’ve evolved, right. And if you’re not somebody who’s willing to see the layers, because I work with behavioral change, I just happened to be able to assist you because of my background and functional nutrition and women’s health coaching. And because of my background, and physical therapy, deeply understanding movements, systems and functions between multiple systems to produce that my understanding of pain and my understanding of self, through your practices of myself, This isn’t like something I would read in a book and said, Oh, I can use that pose for back pain, you have to go through yourself. And I think that’s the biggest value I’ve gotten out of being a practitioner of yoga, and then bringing it to my practice, which a lot of people are missing going and jumping on the boat, oh, I’m going to be a yoga therapy over to add yoga into my therapy practice, is that you need to go through that personal discovery. And when you do that, you can just see it and other people because we’re reflection, we’re mirrors of other people, right? When you don’t like something and someone when somebody doesn’t, when somebody comes to me, and really doesn’t like me as a practitioner. I mean, it’s attitude or its energy, right. It’s something because we haven’t even worked together. But it’s things I’m saying that they don’t want to see in themselves, maybe the very bottom, so is there like my wife loves doing yoga, she she trains he’s super strong. But I would still say that’s kind of more like a yoga class versus yoga. instruction as far as for core. So when you say that is because different expert different poses will work different muscles. And so you’re looking at is what’s the best bang for your buck physically versus just vinyasa in for an hour, right? That again, is an evolving thing, because the field of yoga therapy is now becoming its own entity. And it’s a bit of a misnomer for for those of us we, we get somewhat frustrated, I was just speaking with my friend who started subtle yoga. Christine, co very Weber. And, you know, sometimes it’s it’s tough, because you want people to use yoga therapy, but you’ll go always was a therapy, it was very prescribed You, you, you saw something in yourself, you were that person that realized, wait a minute, this isn’t just my foot hurting. This isn’t just me keep losing a job. This isn’t me just, there’s something going like there’s something of a wholeness, I’m not seeing in myself to be able to recover to function in the world. And you would go out and seek the guru and you would find yours you would be led to it, you’d be just the same. And we’ve all experienced instead where we’re sort of led to our we have a passion, we just feel led to, you know, a certain something and then you find that mentor, and that mentor prescribed the practice, the whole practice a holistic practice of you getting your act together, and your life together, your perspective together your relationship with the world together, your relationship with yourself together. And so of course, you know, giving it as pieces like get this for your leg strength and using it like a therapeutic exercise, has butchered the therapy and you know, people were teaching what was popular people were teaching the Austin others eight limbs and they were teaching the third one and maybe a little bit of breathing. But they were skipping the moral ethical code of level one and level two, which is called Yama, Yama. And that really is what the therapy is. And so there is a distinction between yoga therapy and yoga, teaching. Yoga teaching is within yoga therapy. Yoga therapy is a modality, someone and are you beta ru ru Vedic physician may use. But but it’s a science in itself. Yoga is a science of the human being, and their behaviors and their relationship with whatever you want to call it. God, the ultimate, the Supreme wisdom of to knowing to know your Self Realization practice

Justin Trosclair 18:20
for yourself.

Unknown 18:22
Yeah, and so different people, you know, different folks have different strokes. And so there’s different systems, there’s, you know, vinyasa, and there’s this and there’s that, but you’re going to hit a wall, if you’ve never actually practice the foundational principles of self, while you go into those things. Because at some point, you’ll know, all the poses are you think, you know, everything you get caught in the ego, you know, you get caught in the routine of life, that’s our problem with life and living, especially in academics, especially in health care, you know,

Unknown 18:53
your doctor, so I know everything of everything, and you forget the person. So, you know, that’s really and that’s evolving, right now, how to define that, that’s going to have to be some of us as leaders, to kind of hold on to that tradition of not everybody, everyone can practice yoga, and look like they’re doing something. But who benefits best needs to be the practice the same thing, as you know, I would hope and that it would think, you know, you could some people come to me, people come to you, and they’re really not a candidate for what you can offer them, right, because of one reason or another. I mean, it’s not that you couldn’t do something and have an effect. But, you know, if they’re really not into the chiropractic, that they don’t have a belief in it. If they don’t have a, you know, there it’s, it’s, there’s going to hit a wall and eliminate, and I think people are seeing that when they go to yoga classes is this it, and maybe they quit, but maybe they need that they wanted the therapeutic route, they wanted that evolutionary route of self, but they didn’t find that teacher for them, who would lead them into their own therapy. And then of course, you know, I really hate prescribing it to diagnosis because then it’s walking down the same path as all

Unknown 20:07
the other

Unknown 20:07
medicines. But we do need to, to make sure that there’s some sort of way to research and study its effects for certain things. And there is there’s a ton of research now, you know, I t.org is a good place to see some of the stuff their their journal, and, and also, you know, what we have to be, we have to be smart consumers of it, we have to know in ourselves walk in, and not just listen, my, my teacher, Sri Dharma matron, who I love very deeply out of New York City. It’s like one of the last few, you know, gurus, let’s like really humble and just, you work with him. But he always says you have to have enough to search. And it’s a practice of assertion and knowing the self, you can’t just go and say, What do I do? And the teachers can’t just be like, this is what you do. Because you need to walk in, he says, You need to walk in, you know, the group who tells you one day go home and kill your family. You got to say, oh, Google must not be practicing his yoga. Ok.

Unknown 21:11
I see a lot of patients come into their doctors or physical therapist, Dr. chiropractor, Doctor, whatever Dr. It is, and just sort of do it blindly. You know, when it doesn’t feel good. And I think some yoga people go into yoga classes and do the same thing. And then they get hurt.

Justin Trosclair 21:25
Yeah, so it sounds it sounds like because there’s no different people who were saying is I just want to go and do yoga stretch. And that’s it, please leave all of this spiritual stuff out at the door. And then there’s others who really want to embrace what you’re talking about, and go to that level as well. And knowing like Mike said, if you haven’t agree, if you’re going to have a instructor, knowing what they’re offering any of that and gels with you. And if it doesn’t, then he said, there’s plenty of other people out there, go find the

Unknown 21:48
don’t keep up on the system. Just it’s it really is an interpersonal thing. Yeah. When the classes get too big, when it becomes you know, let’s make sure that everybody likes it, meaning that we’re all at the bar and replaying you know, music and feeding into their vices. Yeah, Sydney, that’s not yoga, there’s debates all the time, that you can’t be judgmental with it. But I think, yeah, just like medicine isn’t let me just put you on an opioid just because you’re in pain.

Unknown 22:17
Um, you know,

Unknown 22:19
we have to have, and again, it gets back to your own core ethics, there’s no way that if you are practicing yourself core ethics, that you’re going to keep prescribing somebody or keep butchering somebody or keep, you know, just because you can rationalize, or they can rationalize why they need it. And you’re trying to serve them, right?

Justin Trosclair 22:38
Well, let’s do a little transition. I was looking at your site, you have a it’s an acronym, I believe, calm. Mm hmm. Going to that, and then you’re doing the coaching, you’re doing some mentor and especially with with mom printers, give us some about some of the background on that and what you’re experiencing and kind of seeing and where you’re working towards that leading you right now.

Unknown 22:57
Yeah,

Unknown 22:59
definitely. Lately, a lot of my clients over the years, they’ve really that’s really what they wanted, right? I mean, they were talking about their back pain they were talking about, you know, more recently, maybe working on their hormonal dysfunction or, or just not, you know, they come with these symptoms, not I don’t have energy, I don’t have vitality, and then you dissect it. But the reality was, I, you know, I just said, the main theme here is why they come to me, is the yoga part that I bring. And, and what they’re looking for is calm. And and really, if you dissect that out, and where you go with the coaching is getting clarity, you know, what do you really, you know, the see being for clarity, and there’s a couple of levels of that, but on the baseline, there’s clarity, sometimes the seeds for conviction, the permission to you know, really go with what they think they need to do for their life, the A is for awareness. Because there’s so many things they just didn’t know, that weren’t educated, especially women about their body. I mean, I can’t tell you how many women that you know, I’m working with them in their 50s five kids later, two husbands, pelvic floor issues, and I’m the first one is showing them a mirror to look at that area. I mean, you know, just awareness. You know, everybody else’s seen it, but them and you know, understanding their body and, and definitely understanding what else is out there. You so many people have suffered for so long, because they don’t really realize just what options they have in the permit. And again, going back to that, that ability to just, and a little bit of a is that attitude that it’s my body, I get to decide like your doctor, but I get to decide, don’t make me feel little, because I’m choosing are bringing in information just because you’re not keeping up with the science and have to go to a book right now and go to a research article. So the L is loving kindness, who can’t use that, especially nowadays, we really, one of my missions is to make sure that we bring love back into the conversation of health care, because if we’re looking for humanity and health care, which we’ve walked away from, to be perfectly honest, being the scientists we are playing with, with things, I don’t know if we should be in the quest for wisdom. And we don’t know how to deal with the consequence, sometimes. So loving kindness in that way, loving kindness to ourselves to even go get help. And mid we need help on multiple levels. And then obviously, em with motivation. And a little mindfulness of that, too, you know, I think we have and that kind of feeds into where my Kirby hustle versus that linear hustle that I was taught a very emasculated Hunter, Seek and Destroy, see your target, go get it pushing everybody away as you go, you know, whatever, everybody, only one person at the top. And, and, and I think the way a woman works and why communities came about is because the ones that were left behind why you went out and gathered, formed communities and formed civilization, really, I mean, their birth in it. And, and they were working together. I mean, if you look at like the elephant packs, they’re all like, you know, all the kids are together, they all go to like a kindergarten, they all kind of share the load. And, and that is somewhat of, of understanding that motivation doesn’t have to be always knock everyone down and be the best. It could be a collective, it could be a collective best, it could be some sacrifice and holding it, you know, it’s okay to just keep eating the low hanging fruit and sharing that So then she can sustain everyone who needs to go out and be the hunter once in a while. Yeah, and and so, you know, motivation can change and why you know, what is success that leads into what is success. So now that I’m coaching, you know why I went into the coaching, really, and we felt I need to heal the healers at this point, is because they were coming to me broken, physically burnt out, you know, just not aligned with how they had what they thought was going to be their career and what ended up them being asked to, and we’re losing a lot of people really great people for their healing, because they just need a different way of doing it. And they need to understand what motivates them and core motivators. And I actually went into the field of x theology, which is the study of values and what you think is, is, is valuable of yourself and your role. Because of that gave me an objective to get it because we’re, we’re when, you know, we are all trained to be very logical and evidence based, and we want to see the objectives and we want to make a decision from that. And so that gave me the ability on a psychosocial level to show them where they’re at with that calm, clarity, awareness, loving kindness and motivation, those motivating factors when the thing for women,

Justin Trosclair 28:00
you guys, gals, whatever, they’ll have a lot of conflicting past, you know, you could be the stay at home mom, but then successful entrepreneur, women are like, well, you Why do you just want to be an entrepreneur? I mean, why you want to just be a stay at home mom? And of course those those conflict in and then if you’re in the workplace, do you strive to be the next CEO? Are you happy being little manager or not even a manager at all, then you come home and you got a husband that may be like, still expect you to cook and clean at least 70%? Like, why do I have to do 5050? See, there’s all those roles that you guys have to conflict that will get exhausting, especially if you’re like a doctor, where you have the responsibility of the health care of entire clinic and running that on all of that, and then you got to come home and do all that kind of stuff. So I can’t imagine the burnout occurring and needing a mentor, a coach, and what better than having another female to be that coach versus your classic thinking of a male doing that and doing all the coaching.

Unknown 28:52
That’s really, I agree, and that’s one of the things I feel like our responsibility as, you know, health leaders and

Unknown 29:01
is somewhat when you feel called to be the mentor. And it’s time to that’s part of it. Again, that’s the whole collective, that’s your piece, that’s your fingerprint you’re leaving. Because there are not a lot of women mentors, there are women mentors, but they’re not necessarily a celebrated and visible, and I’m going to say there’s a whole piece, you know, bunch of people that think that’s from the outside, but a lot of that is our own inner conflict. And I actually speak to the idea of the double goddess, which is not my original thought, sorry, I can’t remember the author right now, who originated that, but I have her book or downstairs. But it is that idea. But you know, we are x x, and we’re mirrors in ourselves, and our dark and our light. And, you know, again, that 30 day cycle, understanding that you would realize the tides, and we’re not explain that. So it’s like we’re being given this, like super power know, but it would be like, you know, Superman being given, you know, his and he didn’t understand, nobody explained it to him, he didn’t you know, and he’s like, grabbing a coke can and like cracking, it doesn’t understand his strength there. And then people are yelling at them. And, and then on the other hand, he feels, you know, then he doesn’t want to do anything, I almost feel like Women Grow up a bit like that, like, Where can I use the power that I see in myself. And then we do have a very strong nature to birth and create. And that’s, and we could do that, in many ways in a business in a household. And I mean, we are the birth of civilization. So there’s a big responsibility there, that’s in our genes, you know, we’ve evolved only a couple of thousands of year, you know, we say, Oh, we know, we’re so far from having been invented human being out of the waters. But in the big picture of it, we’re, we’re still infants, and then you know, this surgeons just even in my own lifetime, I’m going to be 45 this summer, but just even seeing, you know, my mom’s opportunities to me. You know,

Unknown 31:00
so different in terms of I can now and that’s part of what I’m the movement of is, there’s a different way to do this, there’s a curvy hustle, you can now you were speaking of, you know, there was a time when I went into work. And I went in first thinking I was going to either have to be a middle manager, or I was gonna have to leave clinician Stuff and Being with the patients in order to get that salary. Or, and I was going to have to have a nanny at home. Because I wasn’t going to be able to be that you know, and it just the concept now is just between technology and opening up people’s minds and different expectations of how you actually define success. You know, with 50% of the households ending up in divorce, I think we need to start defining success about what’s going on with our family and relationships. Yeah, and again, establishing was very important for me to establish a lifestyle and a household I wanted. And then I just got really strategic and used my mind and my smarts to figure out how to take the system into that light.

Unknown 32:02
And that’s what you have to do now, you can’t just run the role of what everybody else is rules have been and then expect it because you’re going to make you can’t, they used to say have it all but it was a very again, everything at the top Big Lots of stuff big cars, they did it, having it all right now might be very different and aligned with who you are. And I think that feminine vibes, not just for the women, the reason we got to get our act together is because we need to teach our husbands, our partners, our sons, because they need it to Yeah, cuz there’s a reason men die before women a lot of time.

Justin Trosclair 32:32
I mean, that’s generally the rule right there. Sometimes you just have to be given permission, like I only want to work part time. And to be a mom, partner, you got to be a mom full time, but sometimes that either my kids in daycare 40 hours a week, or maybe there’s a way I can have both and not having a stigma or somebody put that label on you like, well, you’re not enough if you’re not doing this and saying hey, it’s okay. Like, are you happy, your kids healthy, you know, everybody’s Good, that’s successful. And

Unknown 32:59
definitely, and you know, a lot of that comes down to financial power. And I believe in my system that I work with people, that that’s part of your health, I think there’s a big misnomer, where women you know, just because they’re taking care of financially by their partner that they feel safe, they actually probably don’t feel very safe. And I think it’s like, that’s one of those things that are like our birth given desires to feel safe. And so I’m always encouraging women to get there, you know, get a hold of the finances understand their money, because that is power in this world. And I think a lot of times, that’s the permission they’re looking for, is or what they’re seeking, ya know, that’s for me is always you know, making sure I feel safe, that I am enough without that support, whether it be you know, in my, in my, the way I was taught to do my job or whatnot, in my, you know, my home that I can because things happen and I think a lot of women lose their choice. And that feels bad because it’s like if you’re somebody who went to college and have a degree and this and that and like when you’re having a baby and if you’re feeling those heartstrings to you know use what like before it used to be you were going to have to abbreviate your financial power, but it’s not that way now, but not enough women understand that and how to make it work. And there’s other options too, they don’t have a lot of people that can see

Justin Trosclair 34:29
there’s more to waste and then one to make money if you have like says you have

Unknown 34:33
to use yourself you know I as a physical therapist, I’m very much still using it and I might be working virtual and not touching someone but I can teach them something I can I can teach a webinar I can create a product I can you know just educate just get with them and women together to talk to each other and become their own therapists and then take back that sisterhood or work with men to understand and relationships what the women needs and even the feminine in themselves rising that um you know, so I can I can be teaching about body parts I can be teaching about emotions and how they affect you know, when you go exercise you feel you’re endorsing, I can bring in evidence base, this isn’t just you know, whoo, whoo talk. And this isn’t necessarily me diagnosing them. You know, this isn’t me acting like a psychology I’m not diagnosing you with a whatever I know enough. As a doctor physiotherapy as a certified health coach is, is a certified yoga therapist, when when it’s outside of those things, to say you need another professional, that’s the advantage of working with me. But that’s, you know, that’s what we need to show women. And by the way, motherhood as a vocation is really important. There’s a lot of people without that mothering role, who are really messed up later. And but you can have a mother enroll without staying there and staring at your child the whole time.

Justin Trosclair 35:58
Do you feel like that’s been a shame there’s the right word but devalued in the last say 10 years for for women, like being a mom, just kind of do your best. And that’s good enough.

Unknown 36:08
Yeah, I think and it’s interesting, because there’s smartest moms, it’s the generation of the smarter, smarter, smartest stay at home mom. You know, most most of our moms didn’t go to college, or if they did, they didn’t really finish it or, you know, they a lot of women didn’t come out with like, they’re not there’s a lot of stay at home moms now that has still hold on to their legal license, or their physical therapy thing or their doctor, you know, chiropractic, there’s a lot of MDS that have chosen to teach because they want to be home more. And they’re making sacrifices maybe again, because they don’t know the system because and it has been it’s like feels like a step down is a Gosh, I this one going to do it my degree pickup Cheerios and whatever, because you’re not realizing it has been devalued. It’s been taken out of your hand. But we’ve also you know, societies, you know, we go to the schools now we’re like, Man that the teachers didn’t produce by 12 year, you know, graduation wise, my kids such a, you know, mean spirited person, why can’t they function in college when the schools didn’t do it? Uh, it’s not this, that wasn’t the school’s responsibility to create

Justin Trosclair 37:17
responsibility here.

Unknown 37:18
Yeah, you know, so you know, yet, but I don’t understand. We went away to the Virgin Islands every year, this kid got a brand new car at 16 they were in every grade school since kindergarten. I don’t didn’t parent Yeah. You know, like, gave them you know, like, so there’s a lot of that there’s a lot of confusion, a lot of books how to be the perfect parent. But then you don’t even know your kid, because you’re following Dr. Sears or you’re following so and so. You know, it’s so that’s like, we lot we gave it up? Yeah, we gave up our autonomy as, as as parents, and somewhat following the crowd as human beings. And I think that’s what we’re seeing. And so women again, being the more empath of the of the of the genders, because we read people while we have a very high emotional intelligence, we need to to carry care of our children. We don’t know, you know, that’s some of the we were not necessarily praised, wherever we are. Yeah, for that, for what we bring to the table.

Justin Trosclair 38:16
That’s true. Where do you see this whole? You kind of transition has been a little while you’re, I think it seems like you’re still getting not getting your footing, but getting your teeth and getting your claws into deeper and getting more solid foundation? Where are you seeing yourself in the next five or 10 years? As far as any goals are? Where do you see this going? out? Long term?

Unknown 38:36
Yeah, definitely. It’s been, it’s been tough. You know, when you build a brand, and you build it well, and you’re somewhat catalytic in communities, not just your own community, but like, literally in like, you know, the fields of different things. It was hard to kind of right, because I’m, I’m, I was taught, you know, that’s who I am all these letters after my name and things like that. So it has been a bit of a process, you know, three years and now sort of I even purposely rebranded just Dr. Lisa, PT, yeah, everyone on my last name there, and our have all the other letters and, and that was purposeful, because that’s really is that may perspective, because I, because I see myself in the future. You know, I’d like to, I’ve been talking for years, I don’t know why I don’t do it, you know, write that book, or move on to the speaking and the writing and the communicating. That’s one of the reasons why I started my podcast, owning her health is to bring these conversations. That’s why I really enjoy and I really appreciate when when when health leaders such as yourself, or, you know, just thought leaders and visionaries invite me on, because they’re seeing that in me, because that’s what I’d like to leave as my fingerprint at this point. I’m done with the clinician fingerprint, like, I mean, how many letters Can you have after your name before you say, all right, you’re

Justin Trosclair 39:58
gonna get it, people on a podcast, and in coaching, right, you will in a clinic. And,

Unknown 40:05
and I and I really think ultimately, the reason I went into all of this was for what my tagline originally was, empower your body, enlighten your mind. And there’s just more than one way for me to provide that now. There’s the you know, and and, and I really, truly see myself and I want to see myself in and I want to be someone who helps humanity, reclaim some of the things we talked about on this on this podcast, you know, re own themselves, get the personal authority to start living, we have so much opportunity now. But we’re not. We’re like, we’re in that darkness. And that shadow, we’re not doing the right stuff with it. You know, we think we are, but we’re so limiting. I mean, we’re the sickest we’ve ever been. And it’s the most expensive down pass healthcare system we have. I mean, being in the United States, 63 countries have better maternal health outcomes than the United States. It’s absolutely ridiculous. There’s so like, I feel like, all I did, there’s still such a big there, obviously, helping one or two people, I need to make sure those women go out and do some thing with that. And that the men who might hold power in allowing them, you know, see that beauty see really see that what they can bring to the table, because what we’ve done right now in in, in the way we’ve worked it is, is killing us slowly. cancer rates that, you know, just the disregard. I mean, just even the discrepancy alone in makeup and body care products in the United States. You know, we have like, you know, the the European Union bands like 1400 other chemicals besides what we’ve done for what you’re putting on your baby, you know, but it’s like, he sees this label pediatrician recommended bought people who are I would really investigate that like who What did they pay them? Who works for who what are they recommend, you know, like, just because it’s not on our you know, FDA list of banned products only mean it means it’s one of 30 it’s not one of 30 because that’s the only 1932 was the last time they actually did an overhaul, 1930s 1930s

Unknown 42:21
to the United States of really. And there’s a whole list of there’s like 30,000 chemicals we’ve invented by then, but because it’s not on that list, but it’s not on that list, because it hasn’t been studied, like you have to investigate I hope I’m one of those people in the future through books are talking conversations, podcasts, invoking and and inviting other women in particular, where I like to work with to be that voice to be that bold, to be that proud of their many wins, not just the big wins, maybe someone else validates from the outside, that we can start talking about the real solutions here to health care. Because it’s not about reducing costs. It’s about seeing people yeah, anatomy.

Justin Trosclair 43:03
I think I saw something this week, I didn’t really read the article, but the whole thing you know, you skimming these days, it was some of the women infant mortality, we’re doing really good mother mortality. Right. It’s like they forgot to check your pulse after the baby apparently. So we are like said I couldn’t think in the 60s, we’re not number one, I thought we would be a little bit higher in the top 10. But we didn’t even make the top 40. I don’t think the article said and 6060 or 63, or 64 moms are just dying, that seems

Unknown 43:31
guys are getting sick. I mean, one of the reasons I switched over into women’s health honestly, was because I got tired as an orthopedic physical therapist, with people coming in, you know, number one reason people come into physical therapy, and obviously with chiropractic back, right back pains, the number one disabling thing, and neck pain, you know, low back pain, sciatica, all the variations. And I honestly was like, My God, the store, when did it start? Well, was my first pregnant? Well, me, you know, so or after I gave birth, you know, it’s never the same. It’s like, Oh, my God, like, it’s never the same because nobody puts you on a track. nobody’s talking about what’s right, what’s wrong, you know, what’s right in your body, what’s wrong, you don’t even know what you’re coming in with? What’s really supposed to happen, then it’s like, manipulated by medications manipulated by a medical system, and you don’t even understand when you’re healing. And I just got tired of that conversation. And and so people are dying. And no, you know, 700, I think is the 600 700, you know, just dying within like, you know, obviously related to that birth or right after, maybe not right in the hospital, they’re just not monitoring there, you go home and you don’t see anybody for like a year for a pap smear. And there’s such a gap. And that’s why belly guru came into existence, because I saw that gap. But the conversations, and there’s so much resistance, because you have the people who are like I should know this, it’s my body and Miss natural and then you have the people who are so disconnected have been on a birth control pill, since they barely had official now, which we don’t have studies about, by the way, but we keep saying it’s fine. You know, you have people who are that and we have one in six right now with fertility issues. One is six couple.

Justin Trosclair 45:12
Yeah, we’d have a chronic use of

Unknown 45:14
it. And girls put on a birth control pill for major dysfunctions not just because they don’t want to get pregnant, and they want to say, Oh, it’s because I have cramps, like literally PCs, and, and you know, these are precursors for metabolic and diabetes, and we have this big diabetes epidemic already and teens. And ah, so, you know, we’re really, you know, the health starts in the womb, we have the epigenetics. Yeah. If you’re in a society that is not valuing the health of the mother, because she is the first world and environmental toxins or lack of toxins 200, over 200 chemicals can be extracted from a newborn spinal cord. So your dad

Justin Trosclair 45:53
is in the territory where some people would just say, you’re getting into pseudo science here, you’re too paranoid.

Unknown 45:59
No, it’s real estate know, I know, I agree with you.

Justin Trosclair 46:02
This is the stuff that’s something like if you don’t care, you will just say this isn’t the case. Like maybe ADHD isn’t just issue, maybe it’s they’re not playing of maybe they have red dye, maybe there’s too much sugar, maybe there’s this, maybe there’s something in vaccines that they haven’t talked about, like and all this other stuff, you’re talking about their studies out there, and then some of the studies that, quote, disprove it, they’re funded by companies, of course, they’re going to be disproven. And that’s been proven to be actually accurate as well, that there’s bias. So you just have to, like you said, you got to be smart. And, um, do you have any websites at all that can help the enlightened some people about some of these chemicals are some of these foods that you should maybe avoid, that are more commonly contaminated? and things like that? Do you have any kind of references for this stuff?

Unknown 46:40
Yes. And, you know, I’m me, because it’s early here, I’m going to probably have to get back to you to get exactly they’ll be in the show notes. But there’s, there’s several, you know, the

Unknown 46:53
people tend to look at the governmental agencies, of course, and you and you should they’re trying to regulate, but you need to also, so explore where you can look at, I’m trying to think I’m totally going for a blank, sorry, I don’t have that. But there’s you can look for like different products, they want to think it’s the in all the environmental workers, something or other, I will get that for you. But you can go on and they can look at all your natural products. You know, the problem is the labeling here, again, it’s a big issue beauty counter is actually one company here, based out of United States that for makeup and body care products, they’re actually being very, very proactive in getting things changed in Congress and going on, you know, beauty counter calm would be a great place, because they have a lot of their advocacy work, they have a lot of lists of things you should look about in your body care products, as well as a makeup line and body care products of their own. They take the European Union standards, they don’t necessarily take the American standards.

Unknown 47:54
There is the

Unknown 47:57
the the ability to maybe, you know, I would definitely get involved in looking at the functional medicine forum. The the podcast is very good for seeing people who are bucking the system in terms of being licensed healthcare providers, looking at different things. There’s so many now there’s, it’s like too many too many conversations, but I would definitely look into functional medicine, people who are into functional medicine, I would, I really, really think that we need to do some personal development. I mean, I know it sounds like a tangent, tangent. But I think that if we were to look at some courses, and everybody has their their person, you know, there’s there’s so many people, but start really looking at things about personal development, so that you can feel that you can speak and listen to your children. And listen, you know, a Viva ROM is a great medical doctor, she works with women’s health and children’s health, her website of evil, Rhonda calm, is good for getting again, that science you can take, because if you just go off and bring them maybe things that they haven’t seen, you have to be almost showing them people who are doing it, who are their colleagues and talking about, you know, what’s going on out there. I mean, the gluten intolerant people, they got super popular me and you have this kind of give them the bridge can’t, you know, I can’t speak Chopra’s with a psychiatrist, you know each other.

Unknown 49:30
There’s, there’s so many you know, there’s just I listened to people and, and kind of dissect one of the things I think that we need to as a society get better at and as the health providers because maybe we’re just people who have gone to, you know, the academic route a little bit further than others is being able to maybe, you know, nutrition, nutrition, Michael Geiger nutrition facts that or, you know, he breaks it down the science stuff to real world words for understanding the research because like you said, you need, you don’t just have to say, oh, research says, you have to critique the research, because some of that research is so biased, or, you know, just because they so many people stop the research because all of a sudden they’re realizing that they their hypothesis was wrong. So they think it’s the research, and actually, it’s proving that they were wrong. So that research never comes out in a minute.

Justin Trosclair 50:21
You might be that 5% you know, he’s about individuality. Yeah, exactly. 25% success rate. Well, that means 5% didn’t like every warning on commercial.

Unknown 50:30
Don’t forget the bell.

Justin Trosclair 50:32
Yeah, thank you. If a drug, your eyes will bleed, that means one person at least had their eyes bleeding from taking this medicine. That could be you. I’m not saying it will be. But that’s a chance.

Unknown 50:42
And you need to do the personal development work. Because you may go to your first doctor and they make you feel like you’re crazy. And you may have to go I mean, it’s I think it takes with autoimmune disorders about five years to be diagnosed. Of course, 70% of autoimmune disorders are diagnosed and women. So no, that’s just ridiculous. Yeah,

Justin Trosclair 51:01
what’s up with that?

Unknown 51:02
I’ve used a bunch of different positions, and you’re the crazy one, like, like, bring, you have to bring your stuff. That’s why I mean, you have to bring different medical information, you have to go and dissect things a little different. You have to look at yourself functionally, just because you’re in the range of normal doesn’t mean you’re not really low, normal. And that’s not normal for you. Yeah. And you need to be working with providers that think that way.

Justin Trosclair 51:24
And like I said, there’s so many podcasts that you can listen to and find these because everything you’re saying, I’m thinking, yeah, I heard a podcast about the thyroid, oh, I’ve heard a podcast on this. And it’s way too much to go into because I don’t know it. But these people typically they get an interview, and they weren’t an entire book about these subjects. And you can tell and manage it was just like certain diets and like mental exercises and things and yeah,

Unknown 51:46
right. There’s so much evidence out there now I mean, lifestyle and again, it’s like, you know, we’re coming back to this brand new medicine, functional medicine, lifestyle medicine, it’s not new. Again, Yogi’s been doing that. That’s really what you’ll get medicine lines. Yeah, that’s what I going back to what I said in the beginning, yeah, Know thyself, and figure out what the hell you’re supposed to do in this world to add to it, not Robin and drape it until you’re dead. It’s very, very basic. on my Facebook page, my doctor Lisa, peachy, I try every day or so or every couple days to give a daily kiss. And that’s keep it simple and spiritual, or keep it simple, insane. And it’s just keep it simple. You know, keep, that’s what it is. It’s not rocket science, people, we really don’t need 56 people writing a book who have spent thousands of dollars hundreds of thousand dollars on an academic eat, poop. You know, sweat, move, sleep, has good people around you that fill you up. Don’t cut you down. And understand that you did not invent the universe. Well, minute, some 57 or great summary right there. You know, it’s just like, it’s so basic stuff, you know, and and open your eyes. I mean, I’m like, does anybody notice like, this is just the book I called, you know, I read this book. It’s called 1984. I read this book, it’s called Brave New World. I read the you know, like, look around what’s going on? You know, it’s like ridiculous.

Unknown 53:21
Again, go back to Tom, clarity, awareness, loving kindness and motivation, what’s motivating you? Why do you get up every morning and say, I need to look at Facebook for five hours. What is motivating you? What is missing there? You know,

Justin Trosclair 53:36
with this fake Facebook Live,

Unknown 53:37
all our doctor?

Justin Trosclair 53:40
Well, I want to respect your time, but I definitely like asking this question. So obviously, you’re, you’re well read, you will listened. So any books or a particular podcast and blog or a book that you were just like, here’s the foundation, here’s two or three foundational books on like, maybe how you’ve set up your own coaching and that’s really shaped you that can help other people. If they’re curious, they resonate with what you’re saying, but they want to start somewhere is not maybe not ready to like contact you or, or whatever.

Unknown 54:08
Right? Yeah. Um, you know, again, it’s, it’s going to be about the self, a little bit of book I really liked by Lori Beth Jones was Jesus CEO, in terms of understanding the different leadership style. And at the time, she wrote that I think of the book right here, I think it was like, early 90s. She didn’t realize she was talking about the curvy hustle, but she was 1994. So she just realized she was

Unknown 54:34
leading in a different type of way. She called it you know, Jesus is she Oh, but really, it’s about you know, that spiritual lead, you know, kind of, and really, honestly, again, you’re going about community relationship strategy, the bigger picture, you know, that is actually more of a feminine leadership style. And Jesus always praised the women, even though you don’t hear about them, Mary Magdalene actually being the first apostle, but I won’t go there. And

Unknown 54:58
I really liked the power of intention by Dr. Wayne Dyer, who recently passed away I think, last year, the year before, and because, again, you know, your thoughts, I mean, and no one got to the role they are as the scientists without one day dreaming. And one day, you know, that’s very non scientific, right. But yet, here you are the scientists and, you know, looking at anything by Einstein, boy was that guy, a philosopher. And I do also like, evolved enterprise by Yannick silver, again, thinking bigger picture in terms of setting up your systems and being I’m very mission driven, I really think medicine should be filled with a bunch of providers who are mission driven. I think you’re kind of self driven selfish, where you see what we have going on, you think it’s really logical to work for a pharmaceutical company and just, you know, basically prop up putting people on a drug for the rest of their life was job right there. So

Unknown 56:02
yeah, so those are, those are the three that I really think kind of, like, get you thinking a little different, because I think you have to sort of think a little different. And look in and then find that leader and find that person that resonates with you, and let that person be your mentor for a while and then realize, when you graduate, you graduate, a really good mentor should be seeing that in you and kind of push you out the door. Yeah, you shouldn’t be otherwise it’s called a cone.

Justin Trosclair 56:30
Yeah. But you know, in chiropractic, I don’t know about physical therapy, but we have so many coaches and management companies and and eventually, you could, like I said, you can you match with the person is teaching, and then you got to kind of graduate to either a better coach, a different coach, or someone completely out of your profession to really up your game even higher and take you to spots that you thought of, and that’s something that’s a normal brushes,

Unknown 56:52
yes, yes, you hit the nail on the head there, because I think going out of your profession, seeing the bigger picture or seeing your professional from other people’s point of view, that’s the one thing I loved, I didn’t really accelerate and grow into my Pratt, I would have never probably done my practice, if I’d stayed just hanging out with the physical therapists, or just seeing what their model of growth was. Because it’s very, it’s still struggling. I mean, you can’t we don’t have we don’t have that sort of same sort of management business background in our teachings, because it goes streamlines into the hospital and being in a in a much more hierarchy model. And that’s being broken out of now with it moving up to a doctoring profession. But, you know, was when I went over and found the other Yogi therapy people, you know, the people sort of doing things and thinking more collectively, and so their businesses were more eclectic, and holistic, and working with their lifestyles, and doing things in a different way. And then when I started looking at even now with health coaching, looking at the functional medicine perspective, and how they’re running and how they’re wanting to start my practices, and I realized I had made a micro practice, that’s what it was called, but I didn’t have that vernacular, I didn’t have that language. And my mainstream medicine groups,

Justin Trosclair 58:10
that’s a new word for me micro practice, who looked at look up that some more because,

Unknown 58:15
yeah, look at look up, that sounds fun, that’s creating that, you know, practice within something else. So you bring your work into a gym, or you you know, you go into the kind of the ecosystem of, let’s say, people who are going into CrossFit and opening up a physical therapy practice or so it’s like a very small, you could utilize the services, right front desk, this scheduling, so you can kind of like integrate within but your your own practice and then that can grow into you know, your own small practice. Oh, it’s pretty nifty. It’s very helpful for women to know that because they can work that around very nicely into getting into private practice without the big overhead and a lot more return on their investment. Another way they’re limited time

Justin Trosclair 59:00
another huge nugget of information at the end of an interview that hope people stick around to her and that’s huge because so many people

Unknown 59:06
and interview and it’s it is so my mind body brand Academy kind of works into that I developed Mind Body brand Academy, which will launch again in the fall live eight weeks exploring that development through a personal brand. So taking all we talked about for the past hour and actually moving it into a micro practice incubator that you can grow in any direction.

Justin Trosclair 59:26
Well that leads right into what I was going to ask you you mentioned a couple different Facebook and different things on a website. So where can people get in contact with you? Do you if you’d like to have a special program that’s coming up soon? Let me know we can put those in the show notes which you got for us

Unknown 59:41
yeah, you know probably the best centralized place if you’re on social media I really like my Instagram that’s probably the most authentic me I kind of micro blog on there that’s at Dr. Lisa Holland PT the DR with the doctor

Unknown 59:55
and I do live streams on my Facebook again it’s at Dr. Lisa PT. And that kind of works into the personal development light working being the unicorn in the healthcare field some of this conversation

Unknown 1:00:10
I really you know, social media wise that’s easiest thing right getting on and doing that sort of stuff. I do blog a little bit but I’m much better live and doing my podcast owning her health on iTunes would love if you follow that and have the conversation in the real world websites stuff of course Dr. Lisa Holland PT calm and that’s where you can look for me for either service either building a you know who God is tribe of your own building a tribe of your own and doing a business and that sort of Kirby hustle work or being and taking care of yourself in a much stronger self leadership way, in a holistic way and as a woman and working out and finding your strengths and a bio psychosocial model. So you have both paths that you can you can find me on there. But I do enjoy talking to my peeps on social media because I’m a social person. And I’m really about starting conversations. So that’s probably the easiest thing. But if you’re on social media, grab my website and you can do my opt in and get my newsletter four times a year. So really,

Justin Trosclair 1:01:13
the real quick I noticed you use create space. Is that still true or Squarespace? Squarespace?

Unknown 1:01:18
Yeah, I do. I do use Squarespace. I you know, I tried to do the whole WordPress, WordPress and me just, I don’t know, I just wasn’t, wasn’t my thing. And so I’d like Squarespace. I like it because of a lot of the integrations In fact, they just integrated with acuity scheduling, which makes that really easy to put that in and

Justin Trosclair 1:01:39
make the offense easy to like opt in

or something.

Unknown 1:01:44
Yeah, I actually really liked her job because the platform because you can do a website off of that, and it works with if you’re selling courses and, and doing a lot of things that has a lot of things that lead pages and all that integrated in it. That’s a whole platform. And I’ve been sort of playing with both of those things. My regular website that I had and the Punjabi platform because it has you can make secret pages you have a lot of control over Squarespace but Punjabi is actually set up with funnels and it’s just a great platform for somebody who’s looking to monetize

Justin Trosclair 1:02:17
with completely different like if you’re looking at Squarespace WordPress arc of Adobe

Unknown 1:02:22
Yeah, there’s a difference there good job he works like a WordPress but it’s a platform it’s a whole integrated selling courses and and interacting and teaching off of that and it’s it is probably it looks like it’s set up like a WordPress it but you actually have it function like a square space. So there’s templates. Okay.

Justin Trosclair 1:02:41
I haven’t heard that one that I was just curious, because that’s a big passion of mine right now is marketing. And I didn’t ask you much about marketing. But that sounds good, too.

Unknown 1:02:49
Yeah, looking took a job. It’s a it’s a it’s a great I got in I was lucky I got in again, you know, when you’re when you’re aware you see things so I got in as a as a beta test. It’s, it’s been great.

Unknown 1:03:04
I get all the new upgrades and things like that for like, I’m going to keep it forever. Even if I’m not using

Justin Trosclair 1:03:10
App Sumo. I don’t know that. It’s got a whole bunch of like, different software that they’ll put out a good deal. Like nice, like $100 Yes, so many things for what we’re doing here to grow a list. It’s crazy. It’s 30 bucks forever.

Unknown 1:03:27
Yeah, like, that’s why I mean, that’s why it’s like, it’s a whole new career. For me. Of course, they’re going into that, because as I want to build that for my mind body brand Academy, which is that course, mind body brand academy. com. As I’m researching this, there’s just so much there to try to bring them so that they can get out there and make their personal brand. You know, it’s almost like a career in itself. There’s just so much there.

Justin Trosclair 1:03:49
Our brains will never stop learning this stuff. Because in about five years, we’d have a whole nother conversation. But remember, when I know

Unknown 1:03:55
I know, that’s why

Unknown 1:03:56
I gotta do the books and the speaking and this and that, because that will stay pretty special. That’ll stay pretty consistent. You know, I’ll be air quote,

Justin Trosclair 1:04:03
evergreen.

I can’t wait to new words comes out for that.

Unknown 1:04:09
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. You too. Thank you so much for this podcast. You’re doing great job bringing together different profession or appreciation so

Justin Trosclair 1:04:17
much.

Dr. Lisa, thank you so much for coming on the show today. Really, there’s so much good information here. I thought the your KISS principle, it was pretty funny. The role that women play in society with their own, like you say 30 day cycles. There’s a lot to it, and there’s a lot that we can learn. So I’m glad that you have I’m glad that you have niched that market for yourself and to the mom foreigners and makes me realize that at some point, and we’ve had another guest status to we go from minty and to be the mentor and giving back and reaching a wider range of people beyond our four walls in our clinic. So if you’re in that stage, consider it. All right, all the show notes, doctor’s perspective, net slash to nine derivatives coming up next.

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