Justin Trosclair, DC explains adjustment research, his 3 year integrative Hospital job in China, marketing for success, coaches, divorce lessons, interracial marriage with cultural differences, 21 point neck adjustment and authoring books.
Dr Justin Trosclair had 3 main reasons on becoming a Doctor of Chiropractic. He graduated from Louisiana State University, LSU – Geaux Tigers and from Texas Chiropractic College a medipractor school outside of Houston, TX.
He goes through his take on innate intelligence, what does the research say about what is actually occurring when a joint is moved by a chiropractic manipulation or adjustment. Does Dr. Justin feel like rehab, cold laser and spinal decompression are important in the clinic? Dr. Trosclair discusses how and why he recommends the type and amount of care he does and how to communicate with the patients about the top 4 questions they all have and touches briefly on maintenance care.
Hear his advice on why he moved away from home and purchased a clinic in a city and state that he knew no one. As far as marketing goes, he recommends bni.com, networking events, social media (he discusses two techniques to maximize Instagram and facebook), marketing directly to medical doctors and also discusses some poor marketing choices.
Hiring a coach or having a mentor is highly important to him and listen to what he thinks you should look for in that decision.
Students should create a club that brings local mentor level local doctors to the school once a month and give a seminar.
What is his 21 Point Upper Neck Headache Scan? He was certified in Activator Methods for many years during his time in Colorado (learn more at his clinic site) and is now a Certified Instrument Adjustor by Neuromechanical Innovations, home of the Impulse IQ adjusting instruments.
Dr. Justin opens up and discusses his divorce, the impact it had on the clinic, his decision to embrace counseling and a great divorce recovery group and how his Christianity was affected and the importance of small groups.
What was the reason for moving to China to work in a hospital job especially since he doesn’t speak Chinese? Why has he been there for 3 years? He discusses what it’s like to work in a hospital job and how to get around and communicate with a full time translator at your side. How do you stay in contact with people back home and avoid or deal with home sickness and not being able to communicate well.
Part of the reasons for a China Hospital job after selling the Colorado clinic was: cultural experience, travel, getting hospital interdisciplinary experience that may land him a great integrative DC/ PT job or a hospital job in USA at some point in the future, and save money so he can potentially open his own clinic one day without a bank loan.
In his free time he wrote a book Today’s Choices, Tomorrow’s Health: Small steps to improve health, food choices and exercise. He talks a bit about that and you can visit this page to watch a great video explaining it more. Feel free to put your email and get a PDF of four chapters for free or you can get the full version here Full Length Book. A lot of the story is based on his own personal experience and the blueprints he created for himself that can be used by others.
Dr. Justin is writing a no needle acupuncture book and his cohost JingJing, JJ, shares more about that for him. Right now this at home no needle acupuncture book is fairly finished in beta stages and is excited to release it so check back later on his social media to see when it is released. Learning acupuncture in the country it was first developed in and some of the benefits they have seen first hand everyday.
Marriage is hard enough, how do you mange having an interracial and international marriage? What type of cultural differences will you have to encounter? What questions help you tackle these potential issues?
Find time each week to do a date night so you can bond and have fun together. Plan a different time to air grievances. Make it a point to read a book together so you can always have meaningful conversations.
what is actually occurring when a joint is moved by a chiropractic manipulation or adjustment #behindthecurtain
do medi-practors have a place and how do we talk innate intelligence
cultural challenges of an interracial marriage
lessons learned from a divorce and how to grow from it
marketing in 2017; trends and why hire a coach
Use your down time do grow, maybe write a book or two like Dr Justin did
Bruce Fischer Rebuilding When Your Relationship Ends
Tom Rath StrengthsFinder 2
Gary Chapman The 5 Love Languages
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Show notes can be found at www.adoctorsperspective.net/25 here you can also find links to things mentioned, the Travel Tip and the interview transcription.
Justin Trosclair 0:01
Episode 25 cross players backstory. Why China advice first solo show and co host Jing Jing and we get to hear your normal host, Dr. Justin trust Claire's perspective
for doctors who want a thriving practice and abundant homelife. Listen as your host, Dr. Justin Foursquare goes behind the curtain and interviews, doctors and guess about real world trial, practical tips and interface on this episode, a doctor's perspective. All the show notes can be found at a doctor's perspective, net slash to five, stay tuned for the end of the show for the travel tip. Let's go hashtag behind the curtain, everybody. Good evening. So we're live. We're going to do something special for you today. So what we're gonna do since this woman spotlight month, and it's been my first solo episode, I said, Okay, let's have a co host, and who better than my wife, JJ.
Hello, everyone. I'm gonna interview my husband. And I know him so well. But I still going to ask him questions.
It's kind of weird. And that is going to be fun.
Justin Trosclair 1:03
Yeah. So we're excited. We've never done that we're doing this live on Facebook. And then of course, we'll have outtakes and behind the scenes of obviously, why we're doing it right now. And then there'll be times where I'll probably be like, hey, JJ, ask this question. To ask, and then our,
Justin Trosclair 1:25
And what will end up doing is editing in it for the real episode, Episode 25, coming out in about two weeks.
So and also, please forgive, forgive me about my pronunciation. I kind of have like a Asian essence. Plus, I'm in China as to Justin, the only person I'm speaking English.
Justin Trosclair 1:48
So if you might be may understand a little bit more than the next person, which is okay.
Or I may have like an agent occasions, like acid,
Justin Trosclair 1:56
Asian cage, and y'all, as we like to call it, my we get started.
Okay, and, and like so many jobs, choices in why you became a chiropractor,
Justin Trosclair 2:07
when I was in high school, are starting to get headaches, and my mom was going for a frozen shoulder. And so we were just going to this guy, and it was helping them with the college starting and headaches again. So I found a new guy, and I started looking around his office and I said, wow, you know, the potential, there's a lot of potential here to make money. We already know it works. Yeah. So headaches work, we know works for low back pain, and I was seeing the results from different people. And, you know, you know, you go to be a doctor, you expect to make a certain living. And so I was like, can this happen? Can you work as like, Okay, what does it take to be a chiropractor. And so I went online, and I started searching, making the phone calls, I was already pre made, I was actually going to be an eye doctor. And will point I wanted to be a dentist and I was like that, I don't really want to do that, you know, you gotta smell bad breath. And, and for other reasons, I was like, let me let me be an eye doctor. And they so you know, you can major in anything you want. All you gotta do is get your pre med and you will be able to apply. So the same thing I contact the chiropractic colleges, figuring out where to go. And I just really liked that idea of you can help people without drugs without surgery. And naturally, yeah, it's a more natural way. And what else was great was they always had some sort of like, Christian plaque on the wall now. So that was kind of cool that, you know, they could be they can integrate both, and they're not pretending to be God. They're still giving credit where credit's due to some people don't believe in God and all that stuff. But that's fine. It's your choice. But that that that definitely played into like the idea of like, Oh, that's kind of cool. You know, a lot of chiropractors like innate intelligence, you know, the Bible that the power they made, the body heals the body, they say that kind of stuff. And it just got it to me. It's like, it's like homeostasis,
right? They go, Well, you mentioned something about
you prefer some kind of natural way to treat the patient without, like a surgery and everything. But you know, lots of hospital need, they paid for doing a surgery for their patients, and how you can identify and this patient needs surgery, or they can do the adjustment first.
Justin Trosclair 4:08
Yeah. I'm getting ahead of ourselves as far as what we're going to talk about. But to answer that question, most clients don't really need hazard. Most of them don't have that. In fact, the injections aren't necessarily that necessary as well. Even opioids, you just study just came out and said, opioids cure like 33,000 people a year, let's say something like that. And so that's a lot of deaths. And the FDA say hey, you should go see a chiropractor. Even acupuncture is first that's why I think company should just be in every hospital not just the the veterans hospitals, because it's an integral part. Because you know, the first they can act as a go between you see the chiropractor, then they direct you, where do you want to go? Are they went to the orthopedic surgeon, they went to the neurosurgeon, they've already done the MRI, they've already done the work of the light. Look, you're not really a candidate for surgery. Okay, well, now what do I do? Well, you can go to chiropractor, along with physical therapy, and you should see results, right? their studies out there that people who've, you know, had back surgeries or have had you missed work for a while, most of the people go back to work, a lot of them don't go back to work, I got like 80% or something crazy. But I want to, I want to say it was like two thirds see relief and are able to go back to work and kind of butchering it a little bit. So don't quote me on those stats. But it wasn't pretty impressive to wear a third of the people were only were had to stay home or less. And we're talking on Stephen's have tons of money on the government, they're able to actually, you know, produce. So there's lots of benefits to having a chiropractic on your health care team. And that's the key healthcare team. Because there's always a time for surgery, you know, you don't get better, you keep getting better, things get worse, you have say, rapid paralysis or something like that, where you know, maybe that's a better choice, you don't need to go see that that specialists before coming to see us. But we could see those things we do test with the orthopedic tests are doing the logic test might take an X ray, and we're going to find out what is going on right now. So we're adjusting blindly, we're taught to adjust correctly, so it's not so hard. There's instruments, which is I'm double certified in that I like those a lot. So for those people that are nervous about getting adjusted, you can just click and the research is there to show that it actually does the exact same thing. And that's the key is results. And that gets you results. That's cool.
And where did you go for like a contract, I went to
Justin Trosclair 6:17
Texas chiropractic out and outside of Houston, Texas, really good experience, we joke we used to call it areas think Edina because it's called Pasadena. But I want to add rain. It all like the small and like the oil companies and things. I felt like they dumped all their their sink in the air and it would rain. So it really was smell very long. We just making fun of it's called a sticky note, but a great, great school, they call us meta practice. So if you're a straight chiropractor, that means you just adjust, you don't really care about them, you know, really the medical profession so much. You don't care about rehab, I'm sure like they care. But they're like, I'm not going to do it. You know, there's other people that can do it, go to different chiropractors and go to physical therapist, but for me, we're trying to focus the adjustment, get delivered the adjustment, that's what's going to turn on the life force, if you want to call it that just get you better. You know, I don't think of it as life force I'm thinking of is getting in a joint, you know, there's lots of everything, but you're getting the joint moving, that sets off and activates lots of different nerves, McCann receptors, pain, pain, pain fibers, all these different things. And that's actually what occurs, but you can call it what you want, you know, the body, if you cut your finger is going to heal itself, no matter if you take penicillin, or anything else is going to heal when he feels the cells going to regenerate on their own. They fix themselves on their own. Just like if you cut the nerve, you just don't feel anymore, you can't move anymore, you're paralyzed. There's nothing you can do about it at that point, right? Yeah, but if you could heal that nerve, it feels a lot slower. You know, when you get that tingling feeling. But it does heal, you know, it goes away once you you know, not really take the pressure off the nerve, that's an easy way to explain it to a patient so that they understand. Because if you go too deep, they're not really going to get it usually. But as far as you know, between you know, mean, the next doctor, we know that it stimulates a lot of receptors, it turns some off, it turns them on. And it just kind of balances everything out. Once a joint moves. It's a happy joint. Right? Right. It's got a lot of spinal tracks they works on
thank from so many colleges in why you choose this one.
Justin Trosclair 8:09
Oh, partly because it was a matter of practice. So that was the kind of lost my train of thought on that when I went on a tangent, they we care about the rehab, we care about the diagnosis and all those types of things. So that way, when you when you leave school, you know, and it's and it's not nationwide, every chiropractic college of your carpenter, you've had to pass boards with all these types of things on it. So there's not a school that's around that you can't get by with this. Right? Right. But uh, that's one reason why I liked it. And it was not too far, you know, it wasn't too far from home, be quite honest. But that's not really the reason it's actually not as expensive as some of the other ones. Just another perk. So when you start checking off all the boxes, all of a sudden you like, these are all playing out into my favor of what I like. So that's, that's what I thought,
why do you go to Colorado?
Justin Trosclair 8:54
It's great question, because that was my first clinic was Colorado. So here's the here's the lowdown. When I was getting out of school, I was a I was married, and I had a job actually in Baton Rouge. And I said, Okay, we we both had experience in Colorado, we really enjoyed it. And so we said, okay, we can go back to Baton Rouge, great job, potentially, that could turn into a second clinic, have another clinic there kind of be co owners and have a good life, right? And then just go visit Colorado Are you can do the opposite. And was talking about a management company help us with like the business stuff. How do you train? How do you how do you go about marketing? When should you use there's all those kind of questions that we just don't know, as a doctor. And that's how you succeed in practice. And I knew I kind of wanted to do my own. We said, Let's go to Colorado. You know, you certainly can prone Congress, what's the worst that can happen? was the best that can happen? Well, I was like, what's the worst can happen is you fail, right? Can you go to jail if you fail? No. You bankrupt. So you can buy a house? You have a rough seven years. But like that's the worst case scenario. Yeah,
the worst case scenario, everything like you have to think about this, right? The worst in the best.
Justin Trosclair 9:55
Then you have, you have the management company, and they're there to guide you. And so we found a clinic that we could purchase. It was a failing clinic. So we got in there. I'm going to start using I so I was in there. And the first day, I had a orientation with the doc who was owning it. And then that was a Friday and Monday, he was going he never came back. So I was 25 in a new clinic with a staff person, Debbie amazing. But she she was just as lost as I was. So what do you want to do? How do you want to proceed?
I'm like a just a graduate from like a university like a How did you learn and try to start a new clinic?
Justin Trosclair 10:33
That was the management company part, you know, they really do help you without a market, what to do, how to train your staff, how to run your systems, and how to do insurance. How do you build it? How do you follow up? How do you do all of these things? So I highly recommend a coaching program for like new grads, even even an overhead if there's a five years out in the struggling? You maybe someday I hope there's lots of different coaches out there. I didn't get to do your due diligence already a coach from the 80s are they actually still practicing that they quit in the last five or 10 years? Just go full time coaching? There's the philosophy or you to do year long plans? Do you do pain relief? Do you do summers in the middle cash plans versus insurance based, so there's lots of different styles or whatever, whatever niche that you kind of like you can find somebody started the clinic struggle for a while I made some bad advertising choices, like I did a video record these videos which are on the website, Dr. Justin trunk club. com, but they're still good, you know, they're still valuable, right? I was very nervous in the person who was doing the interview had a sore throat, I was like, dang. So it's like, okay, I can still use it, I lost a lot of money, it didn't really work. advertising on TV is actually quite expensive. And you don't have the budget to do it. It dries up quick. And I'll actually getting patients for other doctors who did spinal decompression and different things, you know, did a lot of things and marketing be and I mean, you know, the different business owners have different styles get together every week, you have coffee or breakfast, and you become the referral machine for each other. You know, if you have a plumber and an electrician, well, maybe you'll see them but when they're hanging on and there's circle of influence, they find someone that's Oh, hey, you know, you got hurt, oh, cool, you got head as you have back pain, you gotta hurt your knee, you know, whatever, this chiropractor in my group, you should go see you. Okay, so they're works. Of course, you got the networking groups with the chamber, you got sending reports to your doctor, you know, every time a patient came in, I get their permission, and I would send the report to the doctor saying, hey, this person came in his was wrong with him, he's a diagnosis codes is what we're gonna do treat them visually, you can like bring the doctors lunch or like, medium, because hey, we have these shared business, you know, really shared patients together. You know, one thing I didn't do was like a follow up. I mean, that'd be nice, you know, following up a, hey, this is actually how they've progressed to care, you know, so learning, you know, as you go to create, and so just, you know, create an Excel spreadsheet for that. It just going out there and meeting people, you know, whether it's the church or through, you know, if you're across failure at the gym, you know, how always having a couple of business cards with you, not being afraid to give it to somebody, as long as you're not, you know, really weird about it, I would think just always doing health fairs. And it wasn't great at health fairs. And I, but I wouldn't get out there and try to educate and I'm not a very high pressure person, you know, like, hey, this was wrong with you, if you want to get treated. Obviously, you said you had headaches for three years. So obviously, whatever you do, it's not working. You know, I like to say, I'm the home of the 21 point, neck adjustment, based on my two certifications, and ensures that just me, that's the way I like to brand it, it really works well, for headaches and things, I learned some things you like, with the management coming, there's better ways you are you can do it. Like you can have the client try to put 20 bucks down, you know, you want to order an appointment is $20. If you come in as towards your case, if not, well, then you don't, you don't get it back, then it stops, no shows. That's the problem. People make appointments, and because they're nervous, they want to make you happy, but then they have no intention of ever showing up. Right. So that's one way you can fix that.
And also, I think you have like a good person personality, and easygoing and humorous is easy to, you know, start a conversation with, with the people. So that's a good way to do the advertisement and introduce yourself. Thanks. You know,
Justin Trosclair 14:00
at the time, when I was in clinic, print advertising was still a thing, like you could still print in like, niche magazines, for like your community. And I did that which tied up a lot more money than I would have liked. But it kind of worked. So I just kept doing it. And Facebook wasn't what it is today, obviously in 2008. So probably going into clinic again, that's definitely something I would focus on more Facebook ads, the cost cost per conversion is so cheap, for any type of doctor, he just got a targeted correctly, you only have to do it yourself. Obviously I like enjoying it. I'm doing classes right now to like learn all the nitty gritty with with Google AdWords, Facebook ads, but I got free time here in China. But there are so many people out there that will do it for you. And you don't have to spend a ton of money if you do your due diligence, like it shouldn't cost you $1,000 a month for somebody to run these ads. Right? That's that was our thing,
when you working your own clinic, right, and how you can convince the patients to get on your schedule, like or package, you know, like our right now, like a most of the patients is they want to get better, soon, fast. So sometimes it's hard for them to commit to like maybe two weeks treatment plan, or a month, even two months depends on their situation. Like how you how you convince the patients understand situation. And also john de package or,
Justin Trosclair 15:24
well, we would more say educate, right? That's where some of these management companies can help you if you don't really know how to explain what you do, and like how do you quote justify 10 visits or five visits or even, you know, 20 visits or whatever, you know, I think part of it is you have to have confidence and certainty in what you're doing. If your first out school, it's tough, you just have to guess a little bit you like,
you don't have enough experience, right? You're like,
Justin Trosclair 15:48
Well, everybody told me this should take 10 visits or 20 visits. So that's what I'm going to recommend and see how it goes. But then you start realizing after a while, like okay, this is what's working, it's the clinical presentation. You know, if they have this bowl, if they're having them this in the arm, I think you gotta be honest with them. You know, you got to explain partially the chiropractic because it's a different paradigm, basic, I guess, basic philosophy, basic theory about what you're doing so that they can understand like, what's it about? healing takes time, you know, you sprain your ankle, you like to use analogies, you sprain your ankle didn't get better in a de facto probably took like four weeks before you really felt like, Oh, yeah, I don't really feel it anymore. It's not black anymore. Right? As you know, I said you you have a spring is just in your neck, you know, or send you back, it's swollen in there. Okay, it takes time. Now, in the next six visits or so you should be at least halfway out of pain. And if you're not, we're going to reevaluate. So these are evaluating, we will try something for six visits, the the whatever you present with, this is what I expect to get you better when it should work. And if you're not responding as I expect, all right, we got to get to the drawing board. And now some people do that in four visits with like, Okay, well, I wasn't trying to do a lot of muscle work on you. But I guess I need to do some like myofascial release, kind of really get in there and break up some of this skit scar tissue, or, you know, or something like that to get them to the next hump. And so it's personal preference verse based on like someone on your philosophy like what you need, I'm kind of leaning more to the idea of Is there a way to set up your clinic to where you can charge like a fee per month to where sciatica and the leg might take two months? Okay, well, the first ones, you're going to come in more, because you're in a lot of pain, it takes more effort, second Monday prior to going to come in as much, because I think one of the worst things for doctors, if you are recommending, say 12 visits will visit 10. They're not really where they expect them to be. But you kind of told them 12 now you got that sticky situation where the patient may be thinking, well, you want me to come in for another two weeks, you know, 99 in the 16 visits? I mean, do I need that? Or do you need that? You know, because now they're looking at, you know, their budget, dollars and cents. But like, if you can set it up to where like, Look, you're done, you know, you weren't in business. Now you're done? Well, I thought it might be 12, but actually took 15. But it doesn't really matter because you're already covered, you know, for the month, but you can't do unlimited plans, because then you like an insurance company. And you can't do that. So it's a kind of a tricky situation. Typically, I took insurance, that's how I did that just need visits, I give them a range, or take between 10 and 15 visits, explaining what's wrong with them. And then taking them through the stages of care, like we're going to pain relief, they were going to some rehab, you know, rehabbing taking a while if you ever been to physical therapy, you know, it takes time to get things done, but teach them home exercises and things like that, so that they can respond quicker, right. And that way they can take care of themselves. So when they're done in my office, whether they get pain free at six visits and decide that's all they want, and they leave, or they sort of try to get some more correction and learn these exercises better either way down the road, I want them to go to do that themselves, so that they can actually experience I do the exercises, I don't have these issues. Now granted, you're going to lift up something, you're going to sit too long at a desk, going to start having those same issues kind of come pop up, you just come back in call maintenance, preventative care, or you might be a once a month, every three or four months, you may decide like oh, I kind of feel goofy again. And they go in get adjusted and I'm I feel good again. And I better keep up with those exercises. So that's, you know, that's not really how I explained all of it. But just in general, I think that's a good kind of a good starting point, you know, to let people kind of educate them, I would say like, that's a long a long answer. That's kinda like the theory behind the way just and things a little bit.
For those doctors who are struggling or just starting out, what are practical steps to get where you are today in your business?
Justin Trosclair 19:17
Well, we kind of cover some of that, definitely get a coach, when you get out, I would say when you're in school, you can probably look around and start a club, whether it's likely they have some Asian countries that are in there, I want to say there's probably some business organizations, I think every profession probably has some kind of coach, right. So maybe talk to them, maybe there's like a discovery, maybe there's a student rate or a club Are you could actually create your own club, find doctors in the area that are successful there in that mentor stage. Now, you know, it's like a stage where I'm just trying to survive those first two years is trying to put food on my table, trying to figure it out yourself and you got like the status quo, or you're growing, you know, in the near that stage where you're successful. And you may be thinking maybe it's time that can I give back? Little right? Try to find those usually older, I have one in my own school, Dr. Lindsay, I don't even know if he's still alive or not. But he helped me with an S o t, some public blocks, couple different things. He's really good guy. He's crazy here, like these parachute pants from like the 80s. So he definitely just kind of crazy, but he was he was really good. So you could find these mentors and invite on campus. And maybe once a week or once a month, you can have after hours or at lunch break or something, we'll talk about it, they can prepare some practice management stuff, here's how you can advertise here, here's how you do insurance, or here's how you can communicate better with your clients. You know, if you're selling classes, if you're seven braces, you know, people don't look at it selling or whatever. But there's a certain technique that you need to use, you know, you want to use Invisalign, you want to use the regular braces, you know, I'm guessing there's probably like faster options and slower options, you know, there might be glasses with three or four different upgrades that you could use that you don't necessarily need. But if you can find it for the right person, it's a great fit. But you gotta teach them why would you want it? I think that's I think that'd be a great idea. Do that while you're in school, because it's you're already paying for your education, get this type of education. That way, when you get out of school, you just hit the ground running already, you know, the one would be and I didn't think of this one, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, I don't know about Twitter, but those other two, if you know, you're going to move somewhere, start following those people get involved with their social media get a following before you go that way. When you there, all of a sudden, it's over started construction. Oh, we're building out Hey, guys, grand opening. And when you go boom, you're flooded with clients. Right? Right. I mean, that's what I hope to do. That's what I would suggest.
All right, thank you. You were working in Colorado before and what make you change coming to China?
Justin Trosclair 21:40
Okay, well, here's kind of the story. I got divorced, I was in Colorado got divorced, we're not to go into it really. But when you kind of making it but kind of struggling. And then you got all these other kind of things. There's always these stresses in life. Right? A lot of lessons that I learned during that process of going through a divorce, having a clinic and then being single again, right, you know, it's not a, and you really got to do so I think there's two things you can do, you can either dig deep into your soul and try to figure it out, or put your head in the sand and just keep doing what you're doing. And so I did you know that a lot of counseling, and you know, just thought that was good. I wanted to explore myself, read a lot of books, and then talk to somebody about it. And that was really beneficial. I don't really feel like there's a stigma. Now, there is a stigma out there, but I don't really care. Like I think if you got some issues, go talk to somebody. Right? insurance covers that, usually too. So don't don't give me this, oh, I don't have enough money to go like you can get it. In fact, I had insurance for a while. And then I lost. I lost it. I didn't have the coverage for anymore. So I just talked to her like, Hey, will you take the rate you were getting from the insurance company, which is less than the category that you're asking me to pay it? She's like, yeah, of course, like, okay, let's keep going. She was she was fine with it, I was fine with it. You know, once a once a month or once every other month, twice a month, whatever it was, and again, just make progress. So I guess I went more into then I was kind of thinking, but I think it was really good. And then when you start dating again and you start to experience, you know, you have questions you like all right. Been a while since I've been in the game. What else I think I'll put this other to genuinely she has a book rebuilding after divorce or something like something like that. And the guy named Fisher, he also has a book about divorce. And it was really this is for those people could look, let's not pretend how many times you hear this guy's guy or girl, they're they're really successful. They're doing all these speaking engagements. Man there, they got five clinics, they're making millions. And then they're like, Oh, it was a hard time in your life. Well, my business started struggling when I was going through my divorce. And I don't really see my kids as much as I used to. And that's part of the reason why I made this podcast. That's why as those questions at the end, like how do you keep the love of life? How do you have these relationships? And that's part of the reason is because so many doctors
have this option, right?
Whether its financial or
find the balance between the job in the family,
Justin Trosclair 23:55
right? This This class is why I'm plugging, plugging the book, because the Fisher book actually have like, these groups that they get together, you meet for like 10 weeks, it's like 30 hours group, right? And you just go through all the mess, the the anger, the sadness, the if you had kids, I'm not going to receive the kids when they were like, oh, we're going to retire on the lake, I guess what you're probably gonna return on like to be there anymore, right? How do you deal with how you process all of that stuff? And I mean, it if it takes you a year to get through a divorce, like it has done in time? Not like we're playing like, Okay, how do I have my time, but why not? He'll, he'll before you jump into a new relationship. You know, many people just get married. Within the first two years, you get the exact same woman with a different face. Right? And they figure it out, like three years into it. They're like, Oh, my gosh, because the rate of second divorce on the second marriage is even higher than the first one. So anyway, so that happened. And like that, you know, I didn't blame anybody, not take the responsibility for what I did. And hopefully, she does the same, whatever. But a state of Colorado for a while, and my family's not from Colorado and still Louisiana started feeling sad, you know, kind of like, maybe I should, you know, move back home or be closer to family. So it's kind of lost the drive to be in Colorado.
Yeah. So and struggling with the business. Yeah.
She go to church like, because that church, they also have them groups in for counseling and everything.
Justin Trosclair 25:20
Yeah, I was going to church, I never I never stopped going ahead a snap food with one and move over to a different one. I, I didn't feel like I was being I don't know, like supported well, kinda, you need that kind of sometimes, you know, when you're going through a divorce, you're going through some hard times, and, you know, people don't come through for you, you know, you can get really burned out and stop going. A lot of people just quit, like, I'm not gonna give up on God, and never given up on these people. I just need to find what I need right now. So I moved over in a flat irons, amazing, huge actually. But the preaching spot on the little edgy, it was good. And then after about a year, so that kind of healed what I needed to be healed and started going back to that old that of the church again, but I didn't go to the church itself, I went to the small groups, as these little groups of people you get together with I don't could be six people could be six families, right, reconnected with them. And it was really good. And I kind of spent the rest of the time within that group and still going to that other church, it was really good to connect again, they knew the backstory. So it was definitely a healing time and appeal. And that was good. It's got like redemption, right? So it was good. But I was tired of being a car and I was tired. I'm not going to take vacations. That's another reason why I asked those questions, taking mandatory vacations in on national holidays, and you're trying like, how do we get another week off? How do I do it, I learned you can take off like a Thursday through a Tuesday. You do have weeks, you know, practice, he doesn't think about being a business owner. Not only do you lose money, in a sense of like the money you spend on vacation, wherever you go, but you lose money in the clinic, not seeing clients and you still got bills to pay. And then you lose the momentum that you built as well. So these are kind of excuses. But these are real, I think it's real. And again, a coach can help you with this. And that's why I like to get the advice from other people. So anyway, so I was looking for jobs. And one of them was like a research job. And then I realized, Oh, this chiropractor degrees, not as strong as like, little quick degree. So I can't do these things like all right, well, I can start over or I can work as an associate. But you know, pet peeve of mine chiropractic are these doctors that want to hire and either they just don't have any business hiring. They don't know they're just want less work, but they don't really want to pay our maybe they just look at it as I want to five x my investment on these darker, higher, when that's fine. I mean, you want to do but not I don't think it's that fine, actually. But what happens is you can do some simple math taxes, student loans a house, how you supposed to survive, like why does Why does the profession treat our new grads like chumps where most professions, they they still feel like they have this basic competency, they get paid a fair wage, and it just grows from there. So yeah, you know, it was a little little bit of a dad and just from stories that I've heard from other people's eyes, like I just don't know if I really want to be an associate unless I find a group read opportunity, which at the time, there wasn't where I wanted to live and things like that. Anyway, so I start looking along, there's different websites China came about China is pretty cool, because they don't have to make take boards, they just accept your credentials. So it was it was easy, and and they pay well. So I was like, okay, so I can get paid well, cheap the lives I can save a good amount of money. So my goal was like, I'm gonna go work for a year, save up some more money, I sold the clinic, then combine those incomes, and then start a new clinic. And that way, I'll have that, you know, maybe not to get alone. Plus you get the travel, that was another thing I wanted to do. And then she an adventure, learn a new culture, I figured there's a billion people here. If they can do it every day, surely I can make it and if I can't, I literally could just leave, I could pack up in the middle of the weekend. And just go
Yeah, that's the definitely gonna give you like
Justin Trosclair 28:48
translator, right. So they give a translator technically, they're there for you through work hours. But if you're nice tool and your buddies, they might wanna hang out with you afterwards, which is great, help you order food, I learned some Chinese obviously, like, you got to town, you got to do things. Life's pretty tough. If all you're doing is all hundred percent reliant on your translator, it makes it hard, but it's fun, you know, you can learn a few words, they can laugh at you. You know, it's funny because you can still build rapport. So anyway, so I'm after like, three months of going back and forth, making sure I wasn't gonna like go to work camp or something for being a Christian or whatever. You know, I gotta, I gotta cross tattoo. So I was like, I'm not going to go to jail for that. If I were short. Like, you watch too many movies. I don't know. I don't know. If he goes, No, you're fine. Like literally you're gonna be fine. I was like, okay, okay. And so I'm in this town. I'm like, near Thailand. It's know 95 105
every day super hot. Obviously. Amazing. Fresh Fruit at Walmart, Walmart, watermelons, dragon fruit tear mines, grapes,
shaky sugar canes. What else? He whacks brewery mango,
Justin Trosclair 29:54
mango, mango festival this week. So and working on a hospital so I'll just kind of what I
yeah, and you Oh papaya
Justin Trosclair 30:02
do not like it.
Oh, what is like working in the hospital.
Justin Trosclair 30:06
actually pretty good. Working in a hospital is is nice. There's lots of obviously integrative care working with the medical doctors our little area also has the like the ER surgeon people not really er, but minor surgeries. If you smash your finger, they saw it up. Memorize everybody, pretty much we get x rays, but a lot of times it's Mr. Eyes. So you get to start correlating you this presentation comes in, you see in this on MRI, you're doing these treatments, boom, they get better. Okay. All right, you keep seeing that. And so you start to realize like, wow, copywriting really works. And you see these crazy Bolger you see all these crazy things, and they still getting better. And it didn't acupuncture, so is integrated, in a sense, like they're getting massage and acupuncture, we teach him some rehab stuff, not a lot of rehab, but some basic stuff, because a lot of the people we work with are like, farmers, which, you know, in America farmers are, you know, it's not like a bad connotation. But here just kind of means you probably went to like the fifth grade or sixth grade, and you don't have a lot of education and you work hard all day, right? They're not they're not driving john deere tractors, right? They're planning rice by each strain of grass
class they are living in a mountain area so they always climb stairs and mountains Yeah,
Justin Trosclair 31:20
there but muscles are so big and strong from just up and down the he'll cut mangoes doing all this stuff. So it's all by hand is my point hand and tools when they come in, they're using a wreck, right? The backs look as lots of arthritis, a lot of stuff going on, they need to be co managed. And that's what we do. And that's what makes me excited is getting that experience here that hopefully when I go back to America, or wherever, they'll say oh wow this guy he's got three or four years of working in a hospital with acupuncture with all these other doctors with in a in a strong unit. So hopefully that will give me that edge whenever you're trying to find another job and move back as well. I like the setting a lot It's nice. Of course we get time off we get the travel have gone to I don't know how many countries Thailand minimum or South Korea, Cambodia, Taiwan, New Zealand, New Zealand and Australia is coming up and like actually about a time this comes know next month. Yeah, Hong Kong a good bit anyway. So just getting to see a lot of the world I'm gonna have these cultural experiences that who else is going to have that
we need good like, you, you kind of like makes the different cultures in a you kind of really involve this culture in put yourself in this culture. So you respect it. And and people I think most of people like you
Justin Trosclair 32:37
go further Go on, go on. Give us all an example.
like drinking the tea culture and like that type of thing.
Oh, yes, I got Justin like a done speak a lot of Chinese. And every time if we have like a big dinner, you know, we eat with friends. Of course, like, we got to speak all the Chinese and he's the only person you cannot speak Chinese. And we have patients let him to talk. So but it's hard, you know, to translate all the time. So lot of time, he's just by himself. Like he is pretty much like entertainment in by himself. And he will try to pronounce some Chinese words in a in a cute way. So make everybody laugh in. Also, he's really humorous in he has lots of patients is pretty good. And plus, when he treats the patient's, although it has the communication problem in, of course are going to translate for the main thing. So he always can, understanding them put themselves or putting himself in their shoes. And they really liked him the way he just and pop some like jokes. Yeah. So it's pretty good.
Justin Trosclair 33:52
Yeah, I think, you know, play on my phone, read, go through some videos,
because he could to community and most of come like I have to ask all of the questions is boring.
Justin Trosclair 34:03
And they don't ask a lot of questions. It's surprising how often they just don't even I don't know, it's sometimes it's by not bothers me. But It surprises me be based on how I would respond. It seems like they would have more questions like why did you come? Or like what's it like in America are all these different? Any questions, but they never really
because most of them like it's not like that's the son of them. They were like a farmers in they don't have an education. That's why like is hard for them to think about those questions. Right? They don't even know a lot about China. Like how are they going to think about a mark?
Justin Trosclair 34:37
How many of you and your friends sometimes?
Oh, yeah. Also they think the the language barrier and they feel like embarrassed to speak English. They can speak some, it's hard for them to try to communicate with you. So plus, most of Chinese people they are shy and is only if very close friends in this city. gonna ask from me not directly from Justin.
Justin Trosclair 35:04
Yeah, you know,
you want to talk about your life in your last how many pounds things you came back to China? No. great segue.
Justin Trosclair 35:15
Job watch. Oh, ok. We have a lot of free time at work. If you imagine you know, we're we're busy. But there's free time. So I choose to use it better than just surfing the internet all day. I wrote a book today's choices. Tomorrow's health. I've really actually you know, I like it a lot. You know, the first half is a lot about Chiropractic and what's pain and what are quote civilizations, and how do you maybe help self care with headaches with low back pain, throwing some, some core exercises, some different stretching ideas. Biggest thing I'm proud of though is is the blueprints but it's the the journey of exercise, you don't exercise then you start exercising. And after five minutes you just exhausted and board typically like at the gym on a treadmill and just saying that that's okay. All right, maybe a week later, you can do seven minutes, right? And you just slowly this step, step by step and it's okay to me. I'm like, don't be guilty about it. Don't feel bad about it. You are where you are. So let's just start there and go, you know, or if your weekend already too late to start. Yeah. Or do you like a weekend warrior, you are where you are. But you know that you can try to do some rehab or do some things to be better at whatever you're doing, and maybe slow it down and do it correctly. That's where I was probably seven years ago, just starting to really exercise. And that was kind of my journey, getting used to it, doing weightlifting, trying to learn how to do that. And then actually, I gained a gained a lot of weight. When I when I sold my clinic I did a six week around the country went visit all my friends stayed at their house for a few days drove eight hours the next day. So I just was like I'm on vacation, it's time to eat. So I ended up gaining like an extra 10 pounds that I didn't really need to gain and then move into China. I had this like security policy with money in it, which apparently was enough money to cover me for a year and I didn't know better. But anyway, the pants were tight. They got tighter. The big big is where I keep all my weight. He was aware that it was kind of uncomfortable. And I remember just going like security, I'm gonna wipe out the travel belt all this cash, like I sure hope that makes it through the X ray processor. But I'm coming to China, I was learning already knew what was my downfall, cheese and bread on a fat fat in a hurry up because every time I go back home for like a month, I just eat like I want and I'll be like another you know, gained 10 pounds back and then my God, I gotta get back into my routine. But the point is, I learned how to and what to do. And I put that into the book. And a lot of a do with the Chinese is like portion control. And yeah, we eat rice too much. I put my foot down. I will not eat rice pudding and porridge in the morning for breakfast. I gotta know, I don't want to rise three times a day. But um, you learn you learn proportion control, you learn like they don't need a lot of me, you go to the store at the 12 ounce steak, my goodness, that probably feed a family for a week. Now I like protein. So I'm going to eat the eggs. I'm going to eat the chicken in the pork and cook occasion, Cajun agent style. But anyways, but just goes through all of that. So like, you can definitely pick it up on Amazon, or Kindle or free ebook. If you want a PDF, copy her blog. But you're like, I'm proud of it. There's a labor of love. And I've got a internet but like a needle acupuncture book. I'm in the beta stage right now trying to get people to
use it. I mean, pressed about he he could even write like a Chinese acupuncture book. Like he really went through all of the charts about all of the needle points and know how to find it. Plus protocols. Yeah, particles and functions. And every details like you could think about it.
Justin Trosclair 38:44
Thanks. Yeah, so So I created like, like 36 conditions. And I know people are afraid of acupuncture needles, they don't get, they don't want the needle, they may not even have anybody nearby. So I'm in the process of finishing that up and then recording some videos and then am a big fan of so Branson's work. So I got a whole plan on how to market that book so that it is actually profitable, helps out a lot more people. So I'm excited about that. That's kind of a secret, if people make it this far into the interview,
because for most Americans, they going to be scared to step by the needle, if they can buy those book Loria at home and also use a special way they can do by themselves or their friends can do for them is going to be easy. And it's cheaper to
Justin Trosclair 39:30
Yeah, because that's the thing is it's kind of find it, the learning it in the country that it was created in like two 3000 years ago. So you get to experience thanks for them. I really couldn't write this book and sell it to Chinese people because it'd be like a weight loss book. I mean, I know the book that are kind of has a weight loss component to it. Obviously, obviously, I'm drowning in a sea of weight loss books, and paleo books and keto books, and low carb. Oh, there's so much stuff that's kind of what is here we like Chinese acupuncture and meridians and acupressure and right herbs and all that kind of stuff is flooded. So I was trying to get her to translate it for me and she's like a you realize probably not gonna
finish know, like, doctors, they know how to do the acupuncturist. And it's really works like, because we are working this hospital, we see people getting better from joke and also especially for nourish like, problem, they get better nerve center. You see from the guy from that showing the vegetables and the fruits guy. He's getting married from the auto puncture. Yeah, yeah. But it's like anything, some people get better some people don't according to your faith, physical condition. And also according to how where you get the occupants? Like,
Justin Trosclair 40:47
how long have you had the issue? How long are you willing to come to the to care as well,
the earlier you have problem to get treat the earlier you can get better. But if you wait so long, it's going to be a hard, hard able to handle the live in China, like being lonely and not able to communicate with people. And how did you do?
Justin Trosclair 41:08
Luckily, obviously, you're there, you're my wife, and you're really great at translating. And I'm learned to have more patients and things like that, one thing I do have is we chat and my best friends on there, and my parents are on there, really, I'm able to communicate with them every day, we send voice messages you can call. So me and him we still talked in, you know, usually every day, right? My parents, my mom, she is just kind of helps me to actually be here should take care of my American business, you know, business that occurs in life, you know, your car insurance is do show write a check for me. So really, I don't think I could do that. This job without without them. So I think you know, to come here, you kind of have to have someone willing to help you in certain areas of life. And I think I just can't, I can't say thanks enough for them for doing that and make phone calls, I've got magic jack. And so I'm able to make phone calls to my buddies and my colleagues and just kind of have conversations with them. And they're really patient with the sometimes that the delay is kind of bad. And if that's the case, I can just call them to the computer, whatever, but it's just really nice that they value their friendship, that's how you my English fix or you know travel to the bigger city and go the western the area and kind of hang out with some people there. I kind of get my fix of English through watching TV chatting with her sometimes we'll have like a foreigner randomly in town and so I got all excited about taking a coffee or whatever. So that's, that's some of the basics of what I do and how I survive. And you know, each these foreigners different on how they how they deal with it, but a lot of it has to do with maintaining communication. Back home.
How like what make you think you can date with the Chinese go instead of American go? And, you know, did you think about the language barrier and culture barrier, especially about to family,
Justin Trosclair 42:59
actually, I moved back to America and I was working in awesome. Rehab chiropractic clinic. The manager there was like, Hey, you do an online dating. Yeah, it's like yeah, she's like, you went to China? Yeah. Yeah. You like Chinese girls is like, yeah, she's like, Okay, I got I got a single one. I was like, okay, hook me up. Let's go. Whatever. That's another one and done date if it's not good. So we went to a coffee shop. We were kind of actually just wanted this united, which is where I'm at, like the two months before so it was a nice bonding experience is so cute. I had a bald head too, so I don't even look the same and fatter beer and a beard her dad thought I was a
first time I said my parents are picture my dad like no no no you can you can find them on look older than me. No, no, he only had four years old.
Justin Trosclair 43:53
It was ridiculous but he didn't even change his mind until he finally met me and he's like oh yeah, you do a look like you're young 30s Okay, so like I dead but yeah, so that I didn't have an issue and I think you know obviously being here for a year learning the culture like an auto do the tea and the drinking and how to do the respect and kind of a game of how to flatter in their culture how to
and like you even though how to how to appreciate you know different a way to different
Justin Trosclair 44:27
yeah pretty in the friends Okay, food you know learn
you learn how to cook Chinese food
Justin Trosclair 44:33
right? That was a yeah two times I you know when you're first dating a broader the banana wrapped banana leaf wrapped rice is nice. But you had to go you know Asian Asian on it. I made a jump Elia stuck that in some banana leaves. You gotta wrap it up and then tied together and then you just steam it or boil it for a while. And the flavor Melton to it. So I made a couple of dozen of those birds at her words. Got it all watch out.
Because he's out Oh, I went to America, I never cooked those type of dish because it kind of takes a lot of time to prepare, you had to buy the banana leaves and you have to
try to make different things to wrapping died. So I was impressed.
Justin Trosclair 45:21
But we had a lot of conversations, you know, this is kind of the conversation if you want to have you know, if you're thinking in a ratio, if you're thinking International, you gotta have these conversations about what's normal. You know, there's assumptions that can be made, you know, obviously, you know, you assumptions will get you in trouble. And so having these questions about family kids school, can you ever come back to my country?
Religion include like a religions also, like how you can communicate with my parents, since my parents does beginning. Don't speak any English. It's like I can communicate with your friends. But
Justin Trosclair 45:59
yes, I'm failing that by the way. So it's a little disappointing that I still get
before before our wedding. Justin like a rope like four pages of Chinese characters letter is a hand ragging like literally like he was just imitate, like to join different cuz
Justin Trosclair 46:19
I have a drawing talent.
Yeah, like my parents who were kind of very touching. Yeah, he did good.
Justin Trosclair 46:27
Linda learned the vowels and Chinese. And so we had a very traditional Chinese wedding with the red in the red outfits. Were like flashing lights, and everything was like a EDM concert to begin with. And then it turned into a wedding with all the traditional stuff. And my parents flew out, and some other people, and just had a great time. And it was interesting, because the family would take us to dinner. You know, when we look at it, like, wow, there's just 100 bucks for like to feed 10 people. Wow, that's really cheap. Like, no, that was like, 35% some of their salary on one meal. Right, really appreciate what they're doing. You know, the hospitality they had was just top notch. I mean, everybody was excited. Nobody was really like, racist, which is nice.
Really appreciate you. You guys fly from there far, especially your parents, and that at their age, and they like America, China. Yeah.
Justin Trosclair 47:26
So we look forward to them coming visit us at some point in America. Anyway, with that, I think that's enough, just learning. And I think another piece would be you didn't ask, but another questions coming.
He have a home, in a work life balance. How do you get to have both?
Justin Trosclair 47:43
To get a homework balance is really difficult. I think you have to make a strong effort that when you come home, you're present. You're you you're discussing your day, but you're also I guess, engaged with your spouse is up to you know, they tell you a story asking what if they had a tough day understanding that they had a tough day, and hopefully that person doesn't like act, you know, take it out on you. And they'll still help you know, help you clean the kitchen and cook the food and put the kids to bed and all that. Here. It's a little bit easier. We don't have kids. And we work together.
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. But look
Justin Trosclair 48:20
at night, we just do our own thing a lot. Because you know, to yoga, and I'll do a walk around or do some advertising or write a book. You know, there are things like that. But I think I think the biggest pieces, find out what works for you guys. Maybe it's breakfast in the morning, having a cup of coffee together, or, you know, Sunday, finding time on a Sunday to take care of you know, each other's needs in that way.
Also, knowing each other's love language. Yeah, that's important.
Justin Trosclair 48:47
Yeah. She just finished reading, we watch, we read it together, we so we read a book together. That's something, we read the five love languages, and we definitely know which ones those are for each other. And if you haven't read it, I would, I would record ended.
It was really good. Like you really, sometimes we read the books in you will, it will remind you that, okay, there's a mistake you made before. And they give you different examples about, like, how they got advice from this book in how they improved, or they changed their, like life better, it was really worth.
Justin Trosclair 49:23
That was a great, it was a great read together. That's that's one thing I would highly recommend for everybody just having a book that you can read together. I don't mean it doesn't really matter what it is. I mean, it could be anything from fiction, nonfiction, marketing, and whatever you want, but doing it together, and that way, you have something to talk about, maybe once a week, you just say, okay, we're gonna finish this chapter. And we'll talk about it whenever your family meeting is, if you have a family meeting and just went that way you stay connected. You know, we like to say that we hiked together, but we don't really we walk around town together. We spend time with like, you know, exercising that way. We'll go watch movies, which sadly, quality time because you're not talking to each other. But
there we do, like sometimes go out to eat together. And we talk? Yeah, like date night, then spent like a quality time together.
Justin Trosclair 50:09
Yeah, we tried to do a date night at least once a week, an official date night. And I think that helps us to stay connected. Talk about things. It doesn't have to be like business oriented, here's the issues. Because if it's always about negative things like good grief, like you're not gonna want to do anymore,
so you can talk about something about future. Also, you can talk about something like when you just met in some sweet moment, those type of things like that. What can you do to keep the love alive and feel connected?
Justin Trosclair 50:38
I think a lot of things we just talked about, I do think it's important also, probably to take trips together. I think that's important to travel isn't before like, really, you just go to a museum together. You know, that's all your budget allows. Or you can do a three day weekend somewhere slow nearby,
or some barbecues, click picnic somewhere, or picnic picnic somewhere, like, go somewhere and have a picnic under the sunshine. Talk about,
Justin Trosclair 51:05
I think to maybe remember when you were dating, especially if you're like a college sweetheart is on the Did you like playing volleyball? Did you like go and watch football games. I mean, if you're in the south, you may not be able to afford to go CLS you but you can probably go to high school game, you know, especially tie Texas,
try to try to do things together. And also actually, like couples together is just like a case together not to always be strict. Or always think oh, we're done is so many times. But every time you do maybe the same thing, but you will have a different experience different fairly. Okay, so do you have a morning or lunch routine that grants you or excites you for the rest of the day?
Justin Trosclair 51:48
I gotta be honest, I don't really do morning routines that Wayne them to routines that I have. I don't wake up on time, I'm always kind of running behind. Wish we could just work at like nine now I get to sleep in a little more. But I guess the world doesn't work the way I wanted to sometimes haha. But kiss the wife, then boil some water for the coffee, I use a narrow press, you know, so you gotta punch it down. It's kinda like a French press separate all that nasty, little in the bottom. And don't like it. So I boil the water. You know, the new kids get ready for your day. Make the coffee. Either she's making breakfast or I'll make breakfast and help out. We kind of do more of a tag team for lunch, and dinner. Breakfast. She's kind of she's a morning person, she'll go out and run. Five o'clock in the morning is the miles.
Oh yoga one hour in fixed some nice breakfast because I really enjoy eating breakfast in the balanced breakfast and put different things and make it nice. So we could like,
Justin Trosclair 52:50
like four different fruits. Yeah, it's like a third of the apples even used but so much of the fruit. Yeah, like five different variety, which is kind of nice. It's
like a buffet. It's like we are going to hotel, and you eat like a frame buffet, the breakfast, it like that I put everything in a plate.
Justin Trosclair 53:10
So but limited quantities. You only get to go up once.
That's the point. Like you don't need a one thing too much. Or you need like different things and balanced.
Justin Trosclair 53:21
Okay. All right. And then I will always I usually do my Instagram post for the day in the morning. So while I'm eating breakfast and lunch in my coffee, and posted my daily Instagram, lunch, definitely as more of a we cook, we chop, we make a nice big lunch. Lunch is our biggest meal. So it's our hardest meals our biggest meal after that work on the podcast, work on giveaways for for leads on in the book or for the podcast and then maybe do some advertising, maybe read a little bit, take a nap. Our lunches are long. And was two hours,
three hours three,
Justin Trosclair 54:00
ridiculous, ridiculous lunch. So we get a lot done during the lunch. And we always try to make make time for a short nap. That's mean, that's really, that's that's Monday, that's my lunch routine, I got more of a lunch or dinner breakfast routine.
What's your favorite books, podcast, things like that.
Justin Trosclair 54:18
One of the books that really shaped me was called strength Finder. The reason is because it gives you like a test. And then it had like 30 something qualities. And then it gives you the IQ top five. Instead of focusing on your weaknesses, it says hey, focus on your strengths. And we've already helped you figure out what your strengths are. So just develop those. And like so many books at the time when it came out. We're always like what you weekend making your best thing ever put all your effort behind it. And I just like the idea of like, no, this is what you're good at focus on that because you can outsource everything else, whether it's online, or you can hire somebody to do the things that you're not good at. So just focus on what you're great at, especially if you're going to be a CEO, focused on big picture, focus on what you're good at, and when beating a dead horse at that point, but I really liked that book mentioned several books throughout, you know, they'll be in the show notes at a doctor's perspective, net slash 25 to five, so check that out. And as far as podcasts, boy, you know, listen to some chiropractic ones, I've got a couple of market ones, Noah Kagan, Tim Ferriss is a good one Stuff You Should Know presidential is pretty fun. If you like history, I never get to learn about all the different presidents throughout the course of America. So that's been really educational, didn't know a lot of these things. There's a few other ones I got a bigger I got a big list, to be honest. And I just cycle through like this. If I find an episode on like, I'll listen to it. But like I said, It ranges from marketing to random general is like current events, but just maximizing your productivity, all those types of things. It's been it's been good, it's been real good can learn a lot. Like one of the podcasts I learned was is how to actually podcast, though some of the tricks that I figured out with was from listening to other people's but like Daniel J. Lewis, his podcast is really good. If you want to learn how to be a podcaster.
How about like, like phone apps,
Justin Trosclair 56:08
phone apps, you know, do Instagram, I've got one called blink just, it's a book that gives you a book a day, or you can pay and you can read as many books as you want. But it pretty much summarizes every chapter. So you can go through a book in like 10 minutes. It's kind of cool. Snap seed. I really like that one for photo editing and kind of making moves. Which one do I find myself reading pocket, she got all these articles. Whether you're scrolling through Twitter and Facebook, I want to read this. I want to read that. A I don't have time right now. Well, you just click it. And it goes into this one app called pocket and you can use it later. And then I use buffer to do a lot of my social media that will you just schedule out. Most of the time with the podcast, I'll do quotes from what they said, like maybe four or five. And they'll just go on buffer and then schedule it out one day so that it comes out every day for the rest of the week. So there's a little bit of extra closure for that person each week. All right. Good. All right. Any final remarks? Yeah, no more remarks for me. There's a gentleman I just want to say thank you so much. For for listening this long. I hope you got some good nuggets out of it. You got to experience me you guys experience my wife, a doctor's perspective, net slash to five. As always, stay tuned for the travel tip at the end. You just got hashtag behind the curtain with Dr. Justin trust where the host. And thank you, JJ for staying. staying up late. And for doing Facebook Live. I know you were nervous. And I appreciate appreciate you so much.
I knew like especially when it's getting late. And then English is my second I kind of have to sink our do better next time. You've had the chance.
Justin Trosclair 57:48
All right. Good night.
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