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Episode 37. Let’s talk private parts. I’m your host, Dr. Justin Foursquare. And today, we’re doctors Susie Brodsky perspective.

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practical tips and entertainment on this episode of a doctor’s perspective. So excited that you decided to tune in again this week. Today we’re going to talk about pelvic health, a little bit on women, but definitely on men’s public health pain down there different types of rehab, we go into some great stories, lots of laughs, women empowerment, her and her husband have struck a balance and some harmony in their own house, she she has written a book, we’ll talk about that a little bit. And overall, we just had a great time talking about an area that so many people they’re uncomfortable talking about, but it needs to be talked about all the show notes can be found at a doctor’s perspective, net slash three, seven, let’s go hashtag behind the curtain.

podcast fans, oh, we were going to have fun this hour. We’re talking about everybody’s favorite thing. The who has the wing wings, whatever you want to call it. It’s pelvic health time with Susie grant ski. Welcome to the show.

Unknown 1:29
That was the best introduction I’ve ever had to say that.

Unknown 1:36
Knowing wings, I have to add that to my repertoire.

Justin Trosclair 1:39
She has a hilarious website, but it’s like professional like she’s a Doctor of Physical Therapy completely missed that one. But her passion is public health for men and women. And you look at her website, Dr. Susie g.com. And she just makes light of a serious situation so that people don’t feel so uncomfortable. I’m sure Boehner in top five questions. So this should be a good conversation.

Unknown 2:08
Absolutely. Let’s go for the ride.

Justin Trosclair 2:10
That’s right. Well, okay, so of all the things that you could have picked in physical therapy. I know pelvic health is kind of like this new niche. So please tell me why physical therapy. And how did you pick this topic?

Unknown 2:26
I love it. So physical therapy in general, I knew I wanted to be a therapist in high school, but a little background, my mom, she was actually the inspiration. She was born with Spina Bifida. She also has a below the knee amputation. And her she was a single mom raising two kids, you know, they thought she would never be able to have kids. And I was the miracle baby because I’m the oldest but she actually persevered. She had really bad relationships. And like she’s the strongest woman I’ve ever met. And I kind of wanted to pass on that message to others who are struggling physically, emotionally, that just because, you know, I hate using the word disability because it’s a label. But just because there’s something that isn’t really driving your life or something has happened to you physically or mentally, it doesn’t mean that you can’t persevere. And so that was her message. She really kicked as an entrepreneur. She raised us by yourself. So I wanted to kind of pass on that message of empowerment to others. So that’s that’s my mom’s plug. And how did I get into public health? Good question.

Unknown 3:35
I think it fell into my lap To be honest, like

Justin Trosclair 3:38
I shouldn’t for the area.

Unknown 3:40
I have a passion for the area, it fell into my lap. And is there any way to this where I go? No, honestly, it was a good friend of mine. I was back in Illinois, and I was bored with what I was doing. I was doing inpatient acute rehab for stroke patients and TBI and all that sort of thing. And then I was like, I kinda want to get a different challenge. I did that and then went to the stupidity rehab. I did that. And then I was like, well, I want to travel and I’m going to just do PRN Why did a lot of contract work here and there? But actually my friend she’s like, I think you’d be interested in public for go shadow this girl, this lady. I’m like, why would I be interested in public for like, the last time I thought I didn’t want to put my finger anywhere. anybody’s vagina rectum. So but Yeah, seriously, so I was like, Okay, well, maybe I should kind of check it out. And what really to be honest with you just really got me to the shadow this woman is because and I’m going to tell you the story. It’s got on a true story. I was jumping on a trampoline with my godson. Okay, I was 20 something. I don’t remember how old I’m 32 now, but anyway, it was in my 20s I’m jumping on the trampoline. And I felt an excess of witness. And it was hot. Granted, it was hot, humid, so I was like, well, maybe it’s just what? I went to the bathroom. And it wasn’t just sweat. I like peanuts. Yeah. Oh, it’s right. Well, no, it’s 20 something.

Unknown 5:06
No kids, no, nothing, you know, I mean, whoa. So I freaked out. And I was like, maybe Ashley’s onto something. Maybe I should learn more about my private parts and how they work and how it works with the musculoskeletal system and the rest of my body? Because this is like, why is this happening? That’s what sparked my actual interesting battling this woman and, and I was hooked ever since. So that’s how I got into pelvic health therapy. And then, three years ago, I started to pursue focusing just on men’s health and focusing on holistic public health, incorporating like functional nutrition, medicine, and coaching and focusing more on the psychology, psychology and sociology of pain, especially persistent pain. And,

Unknown 5:53
you know, it’s really, yeah, and men, yeah, because I got an influx. And it I really think the universe just brought these guys to me, but I’ve got I got a handful of patients as I was starting. They were all men, and their stories were all the same. Like, I wish I would have found you sooner, why do we know more about you? And I started to ask them questions and say, Well, if you needed a resource, or fewer typing and googling, and what would what would make life easier, better for you? Had you known something ahead of time, right. And so they’re like telling me everything like, oh, a good resource or a good book, or knowing that you just exist and what to look for, and not to freak myself out. And that sort of thing. And, and I was very touched, and I felt like I had to share the message to help them. So essentially, I kind of guided in that. And I wrote a book and start a new program. And now I’m just empowering meant and take their health into their own hands. No pun intended, guys. But to take more, there’s more what’s your

Unknown 6:55
right? Wait, yeah, just to take ownership and it kind of like accepting given moment without resistance and how to use that just not from a physical standpoint, because I’m a physical therapist, but also from the other health domains that are encompassing someone’s overall wellness and well being. So

Justin Trosclair 7:13
the book title is

Unknown 7:16
pelvic pain, the ultimate cock black

Justin Trosclair 7:18
bedroom thing. And that’s for real, though.

Unknown 7:21
And it’s for real, it really is. No job. That’s great.

Justin Trosclair 7:25
So I was thinking we were going to talk more about women, but since you brought up the men already, I would love to know, what are the top three things that guys come in for? Because, you know, I’m a young I don’t really have any pain down there. So I’m just going to curious maybe prostate um, I would, I would assume like a prostate issue, but what’s your top three things that guys come in for?

Unknown 7:44
Okay, so they’re usually coming in for pelvic pain and what that entails, it could be anywhere from penis pain, testicle pain, deep ache in the rectum, prostate pain, bladder pain, you know, urgency, frequency, that sort of thing. A common functional complaint I hear about is a decrease or loss and sexual drive libido because let’s get real. If you’re having pain with an erection Are you having pain with an orgasm, the last thing you want to do is have sex or, or masturbate. They also have pain or difficulty with urination, pain with sitting and pain that’s very much so aggravated with stress.

Justin Trosclair 8:24
Hmm. And I saw your credential list, you’ve taken a ton of classes on this stuff. So it wasn’t like I took a class in school? No, you’ve got extensive extra training in this.

Is this? Is it hard to find someone that does what you do in a local area? Because not everybody’s going to be? Yeah, where you live?

Unknown 8:43
Right? It is. And it depends on,

Unknown 8:47
you know, the type of work because my type of work is a little different. And my approach is a little different, too. I mean, granted, we all have our own expertise in our tools and our comfort levels, right? I mean, because we’re dealing with private parts here. So not everyone, female therapist is going to be comfortable touching the penis or touching the testicles, and treating those parts.

Justin Trosclair 9:07
So I have to touch those to do the job.

Unknown 9:11
Yes, in my opinion, no, no, no, some might argue that you don’t have to, in my opinion, I do believe that in order to relax your your client, your patient in order to build trust, because I think I should probably rewind a little bit. Men that come to see me, they’ve often been shied away of their private parts, they’ve often been told that it’s all in your head, or this is something you’re gonna have to live with for the rest of your life. The common frustrations that they will express to me are the level of discomfort that practitioners have actually going down there. You know, so yeah, so not only are they getting the courage, because you know, guys, they just don’t, I mean, they just don’t like going to the doctor, let alone talking about their private parts, right? I mean, they’re not like in the locker room saying, Hey, man, if he needs hurts today, what’s How about yours, you know, like, it’s just not common talk at its social stigma, it’s taboo, it’s, and a lot of the psyche for, for even being a man, I have to be tough, I shouldn’t show them vulnerable, you know, that sort of thing. And so when they muster up the courage after you know who and how long how, who knows how long they even have that the symptoms, but they muster up the courage to tell their primary care doctor about it, they feel so disappointed because they don’t even go there to assess it. And they sense a sense of discomfort and unease from the practitioners point of view. So like, the sense it and so it kind of just shows them away, and then they’re just looking for things to do on their own. So and it’s not just, you know, primary care doctors, but it’s therapists, as well, because not all female therapists are are comfortable touching or assessing the genitals, Exner genitals themselves for a man and they’ll oftentimes tell the client or the patient to Okay, lift your testicles and penis out of the way and cover them with a towel. So there again, is like I should be ashamed. There’s this woman working on me, I got this issue and now I have to hold my package close to me because God forbid it like my my balls show.

Unknown 11:29
That sort of construct, I think it goes very deep for someone who is suffering with pelvic pain.

Justin Trosclair 11:36
And that’s an awkward situation is probably for anybody, like for the because I can see myself if I was just like, okay, I want to specialize in this. A lot of guys would be weird, like, Ric going to touch my junk you like yeah, I gotta touch your job. Like,

Unknown 11:49
right? Now we’re, you know, we’re not like, okay, we’re gonna you know when to talk to Doug. Yeah. Well, you know, it’s educating. So because, because they’ll say like, and don’t get me wrong, you’re right. It is this time awkward. Like, oh my gosh, I’ve, I don’t know what to expect, which is why my website, it’s very, very black and white. It’s, it’s not going to be embarrassing, I do have to look at it. But it’s only to help you. And really, I’m only doing this to show you how to help yourself. So and most guys with pain, again, they’re just, they are they just want to get help. They’re so desperate, they’re frustrated with the care they’ve already received. And, and for them to just feel comfortable and open in a safe environment that they trust with someone who’s down to earth, not sterile, not in a white coat. It is actually refreshing for them. And they so appreciate it. They really appreciate it. I can

Justin Trosclair 12:39
imagine because basic school for chiropractors, and we cover a lot of stuff, but nobody talks about pain down there. Like if a woman has paint, do some candles, okay? Like

I don’t even mentioned in for guy like yeah, you can break your penis, they and that’s out of my realm. So I don’t know what to do with it. And obviously, when most practices as a whole lot of lie about ability that you are taking upon yourself to specialize in this. Which reminds me Do you have to have a sec, a special writer for you my practice being that you’re specializing this thing?

Unknown 13:11
No, no, not necessarily. Although I do have

Unknown 13:16
you know, insurance and liability being a solo practitioner, but I’m certified. You know, I’m board certified in public health. So I’m really backed up by the board as well. So I’ve never had an issue where I had to kind of worry about it to be honest. Okay.

Justin Trosclair 13:30
Yeah. Is there a one tip you can give somebody like a basic I don’t exercise or something like if they’re having kind of pain is that kind of what you do like there’s exercises involved or it’s about like relaxing the muscles with different type of neural meningioma manipulation and neural manipulation? Uh huh. Uh huh. Yeah, that stuff means.

Unknown 13:54
That’s awesome. Well, its own neural manipulation, visceral manipulation. They’re just hands on the special techniques that I’ve actually study with the brawl Institute for over what’s going on six years now. And it’s just the manual therapy technique that I can teach, I can certainly help teach someone to facilitate it takes a certain patients skill, skill set to really like know what you’re feeling and the depth of the tissue and then apply the technique. If I find that the patient is really like, aware of their body and can handle doing a self driven technique, I’ll teach them for sure. Oftentimes, I’ll teach them how to just do like musculoskeletal releases special releases in a global or general form. The best thing if someone has pain go honestly is to come to come. They’re nervous system down, meaning there’s a lot of fear around what’s happening. There’s a lot of terrible advice on the internet. I hate to say it there, you know, I’m sure you’ve read your fair share on the internet. Yeah, they, they, they get on these forums, and they get on these discussion sites where it really scares them and it perpetuates. It’s this vicious, like, anxiety, guarding tension, pain cycle. And this, this, and this, this starts to happen within a matter of minutes, honestly. Um, so I think the message is to say, pelvic pain isn’t permanent, you might be swear down there. And as long as you kind of got your red flags cleared, of course, I you know, go to a urologist because many men don’t even know who to go to first I would say, well urologist just to make sure that you don’t have an STD, that you don’t have an infection, or anything else that we need to worry about, you know, like a cancer or something, because those are big and scary. I will once those are all clear, then I would say your next step would be to see a pelvic health therapist who specializes in seeing men. Okay, so that that would be the next step because doctors will try to put them on met like prescription antibiotics, you’re still really learning a lot about antibiotics. Now I’m sure you’ve heard a lot in the literature recently about the overuse of antibiotics and

Justin Trosclair 16:08
superbugs and all that.

Unknown 16:10
Yeah, exactly a resistance and all that sort of thing. But but these guys will oftentimes with them, I’ve been doing any tests, doctors, like primary care physicians, they’ll be like, Oh, it’s probably an infection here, some antibiotics. Well, of course, the antibiotics will help temporarily because it’s got an analgesic effect to it for some for some parts of it. And they’ll feel a little bit better, but then it will come back, and then it comes back with a vengeance. So then they go back to the same factory and doctors like, oh, maybe we need a different antibiotic, because maybe it’s a different bug. Again, it’s just like throwing spaghetti in a brick wall, oh, gosh, nothing’s really going to stick. So then these guys often suffer multiple about of antibiotic use. And now you’re talking about a destruction of their gut microbiome. Hello. Now, if you’re like, well, that’s not going to help their neuro immune system. And that’s not going to help the tension because they keep going back to these providers and then keep getting like the same treatment and it’s not helping. So it’s only adding to the frustration and catastrophizing and all that sort of thing. So it’s really complex in terms of how persistent or chronic pain really envelops itself, right? So I think just calming down, calming down the nervous system, letting them know that they’re going to be okay, that’s not permanent, no matter what they’re reading on the internet. And no matter what they’ve told what people have told them, or didn’t tell them, that it’s not permanent, and there’s help for it just have to be persistent and patient and get the right help. I think

Justin Trosclair 17:30
this is just because you mentioned several things that you know, the nervous system, when you’re in chronic pain, it becomes this feedback loop and it changes your brain chemistry. And then you were talking about the neural gut biome connection that’s probably out there for some people to believe in. But if you do the right reading, you’ll see it and you’ll see a connection that’s just kind of it just hasn’t hit mainstream yet.

Unknown 17:51
Right. Right. And and they’re really doing more research on men with it’s called, you know, they’ve coined it chronic pelvic pain syndrome, or prostate, Titus, I hate the chronic myself, because it just means that it’s going to be forever I like you know, Assistant. And in that aspect, they’ve done so much more research on to determine whether or not men who have pelvic pain syndrome, what their microbiome diversity looks like, like what their microbiota in terms of diversity looks like, versus someone who doesn’t have these symptoms. And they’ve actually shown and proven that men with public Pain Syndrome have a less diversity and also have a decrease in private Tella, which is a bacteria that they’re now I’m looking at to see how it plays in terms of reducing inflammation in the body. So again, this is all new stuff, but it just makes sense if these guys were put on antibiotics for several times in their life, right, and who knows, like how much even before that as a kid, you know, strep throat, tonsillitis, ear infections, who knows. So I think it’s really important to rule out any antecedent or perpetuating mediators that might kind of be putting them in this, like leaky gut displaces the imbalance that is contributing to an overly hyper immune system, or a hypo immune system for that matter. So just depends,

Justin Trosclair 19:18
this podcast is mostly for doctors. So are there any journals or a like a, maybe even a textbook, or a regular book that goes into more of this gut biome that they’re like, wow, this is really interesting. I want to know more.

Unknown 19:31
Oh, I’m healing in urology is a good book. And it’s in it’s actually a collective book written by you know, there’s a pelvic health therapist who’s written an excerpt in there as well. There’s an integrative urologist, who’s also written an editorial not book as well. In terms of a book in terms of gut health that’s like specific for pain. Oh, there’s so much healing on heal your pelvic pain, or I’m sorry, heal your pain now, wouldn’t Dr. Joe Tada, who’s a certified nutritionist, and also a Doctor of Physical Therapy, he wrote an excellent book that I just read about pain, and the gut, and diet and all that sort of thing, really great book. So that’s the newest one that came out that I just read. And there’s another one my former program participants started reading, but I can’t remember off the top of my head, I think you covered a couple of these questions already. But

Justin Trosclair 20:26
any other common misconceptions that you want to lay to rest, we definitely cover the chronic, it’s going to last forever, you don’t have to be embarrassed to find the practitioner that can actually help you anything else for men or women that they should that has any misconceptions to make them not want to seek treatment, or get nervous?

Unknown 20:44
Um, I think just knowing that, to me just feel comfortable with having an open mind of exploring that area. So you know, you we have to kind of take a look at it. And just because you go see one practitioner who doesn’t give you the right advice, or maybe steer scares you to death. They’re not always right. You have to follow I think, follow your gut and, and really be in tune with what you think you really need. Because oftentimes, we all have the answer to our own healing. I feel like so just just following your gut getting a second opinion. If it’s not working the first time, you know, do your research and try something else.

Justin Trosclair 21:28
No, I’m going to ask a fifth grade question. Because you’re going in that area, guys just have these automatic reflex is, do they need to be worried about it? Do they need to like give a caveat like, hey, if this happens, I’m so sorry. Like, what is your experience more often than not, or just brush it aside? it?

Unknown 21:46
No, yeah, it’s totally common. And I always have to do a disclaimer, like with my patients in the room saying it’s normal. If you do have an erection. It’s completely normal. I don’t get freaked out. pretty calm. I’ve seen it before. It’s a normal physiological reaction. You’re right, it happens. I’m stimulating that area, right? We come down there in a moment, they always have the ability to say, hey, Susie, I just need a moment to myself. Can you give me a private moment and I step out of the room? No biggie, really, it’s not a big deal. So that is often some big scare for guys like, Oh my god, what if I start getting interaction in front of her?

Justin Trosclair 22:28
see people not going just because of that.

Unknown 22:30
Yeah, totally. And, and that’s why again, part of my goal is to be like, it’s okay. And it’s right on the website. Like, it happens, you’ll get a boner. It’s totally cool. It’s, we’re here in a therapeutic setting, as long as you keep it professional. I’m also going to keep it professional and we’re going to be cool.

Justin Trosclair 22:48
That’s the key. And so you’re talking patients from 20 to 70.

Unknown 22:53
Totally. Yeah, most be To be honest, it’s the younger generation that I’m getting that the symptom will start in their 20s. So the symptom will start this as as, as early as 1718. Pepsi? Have you seen any reason why it would start?

Justin Trosclair 23:09
Is it from some sort of like STD or is it just?

Unknown 23:15
Oh, good question. It could it’s multifactorial. Sometimes it could be starting off like a sports injury, like a groin injury, or hockey players, any type of high impact kind of sport on that’ll start off like a groin injury, and then it will become, you know what, it will be treated as a pelvic floor dysfunction, or maybe it’s a low back issue, go back and pelvic floor they communicate, they’re one in the same honestly, you can’t just look at the pelvic floor and not look at the rest of the body.

Unknown 23:42
stress. Stress is a huge trigger either a psychological event or trauma that impacts them greatly. That puts them into this anxious type personality. And also very driven type A personalities like very driven, very motivated, the go sympathetic nervous system up regulation, right. Just not able to calm the nervous system down. And I think the impact with that is what is it doing to the reproductive system? What is it doing to your immune system? What is it doing to cortisol, epinephrine and adrenaline that’s running through your veins, like at some point, it’s just not going to help you Those are all great things that you want an acute situation but if you’re in sympathetic overdrive, I don’t know how much of the body that can can resist that, you know, over time, so then you start you know, getting sick, sick or aches and pains and that sort of thing. And it just so happens to be their genitals. So yeah, it’s unfortunate. Yeah, poor diet. For Yeah, poor diet, getting sick a lot. Eating like, having a lot of sugar.

Unknown 24:47
That sort of thing. parking lot. I hate to say it, but we’ve all been there. Yeah, yeah. You know,

Justin Trosclair 24:54
like I said, if you’re type A and your go, go Go and you had all these other things. Your brand book candles from both ends are i’m saying is

Unknown 25:01
That’s right. You’re absolutely right. Oh, and cycling. I have forgot to add that like not that cycling’s a bad thing, but sometimes lots of cyclists will come see me because of a deep ache within the prostate and oftentimes it’s just you know, they just need to get a new see a different seats are wider see more question and maybe a short nose, or their seat or their whole bike configuration is is off and we need to look at that on or bike shorts that are more padded. Yeah, a lot of impressive force through the through the scroll through the, the area between the base of the penis and the anus. And that can create, although not shown to be scientifically validated, it could potentially create like a prosthetic congestion, vascular congestion in that area. And of course, they’re very active. And most of these guys are very driven. So yeah, whole body is just test and it kind of just create the perfect storm.

Justin Trosclair 25:58
Could they benefit from a few middle seat?

Unknown 26:01
They could although they make a specific seat that has a an opening in the middle, and there’s a cut out in the middle to shorter nose, and then there’s a cut out in the middle that will help decompress the area. Oh, ok. So this yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I can also give you the links to those blog posts that I researched for that and it’s got some good stuff.

Justin Trosclair 26:21
That’s cool. That’s really good. That’s a there’s a lot of at least on my Facebook feed. I seem like a follow cyclist for some reason.

Unknown 26:27
Cool. Yeah, it’s great. Yeah, you should know it’s really great information I will buy shorts to to use that help decompress that area as well because you’ve got the Pew dental nerve. And the thing is, is the speculation is that you have your sit bones. And you’ve got the owner of coming through the outbox canal through the sit bones to innovate the pelvic floor muscles, the seed if it’s narrow, it might be cutting into that like medial aspect of the sit bones. And so it might be causing a compression syndrome of that P dental nerve and you’ve got the dental artery also that’s applying this area. So if they’re having like saddle Paris, Asia Ray if they’re getting their butt and that sort of thing. You want to listen to that and you want to make sure you get up out of your saddle. So taking frequent breaks out of your saddle standing up peddling off the out of the saddles is good advice.

Justin Trosclair 27:15
Okay. Do you have to do any spinal What do y’all call it your land span over nips?

Unknown 27:21
Like a threat like through us like high blood? I we learned them I mean, this was oh my gosh, I graduated PT school seven and a half years ago, but back then we did do thoracic lumbar thrust high velocity grade five, but none in the cervical we weren’t taught that we could I think you have to become certified like you have to go and and specialized and doing that sort of manipulations. I mean, it is within our scope of practice but I don’t I don’t do it necessarily

Justin Trosclair 27:55
as a you know, as a chiropractor I kind of think if there is anything going on at the El five to in the toilet, tailbone that’s one more thing to look at to those just kind of curious if it’s in your totally all or no one

Unknown 28:06
in Altoona is what she to look at L one l to innovate the testicle. So they have testicular pain. l one l to also like the England

Unknown 28:17
England Oh hypo gastric and genital femoral also branches of our one l to and they supply the genitals and parents come from a sensory distribution aspect and then cream ask who Mr. reflexes l one l to So yeah, I definitely make sure to clear out any dysfunction or pathology, I have one l to and then I’ll for all five and as one through four or five.

Justin Trosclair 28:41
It makes me so excited because that’s something I learned in a seminar. Oh my gosh, I don’t know, maybe six or seven years ago. And I’m like, Oh my gosh, like this is like one of those little nuggets, they just kind of threw in there like oh, by the way, if any God has testicle thing to 12 and one.

Unknown 28:56
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That’s fantastic.

Justin Trosclair 29:00
Okay, so you have your own clinic that we’re going to shift that just a little more practical advice for maybe for other people, for doctors, like they’re struggling, they’re just starting out, maybe they want to get involved with what you’re doing. So we can kind of bridge that to doctors who want to transition or just starting out and like students. Any advice for these people?

Unknown 29:18
Yes, lots. I’m going to keep it short and sweet. The best thing to do, I think, is to let go of all reservations, meaning, be yourself. Dig deep to find out your why behind what you’re doing. In my beginning of my career was always comparing myself to other people, other colleagues what they’re doing what I’m not doing, and it was just discouraging. I think that if you’re always comparing yourself to others, or you’re scared of criticism, you’ll feel like your job your careers is that it’s a job, it’s not going to nourish you. And it’s instead it’s going to drain the life out of you. So you need to make sure that your personal professional life are in alignment with with who you are and where you see yourself growing right. The second best thing to do is also find out who your ideal client avatar is. Have you ever heard of that? The course idea climb course you have. I’ve got

Justin Trosclair 30:13
one for this podcast.

Unknown 30:14
Yeah, exactly. So that’s it. It’s brilliant. You want to create a niche, no matter how narrow you see, you think that focuses? It’s the best, because you’re going to do so much better. You know why is because you’re connecting to that one single person that’s going to ignite the fire within them to see you or to interact with you to collaborate with you. Right? And and you don’t have to be a jack of all trades necessarily, you know, narrowing your focus, and they’re all going to just come. I mean, it’s not even just going to be that ideal client avatar, but you’re going to get people that talk to them their spouses, like for example, I I always get asked the question, well go to feel like you’re going to you’re a woman and you see females, don’t you think that you’re going to exclude them? Never, because they see me they want to see me because they know that I’m helping their husband, their brother, their best friend. And they’re like, I know, you can help me too. So it’s kind of like a catch 22 you want to be very narrow. And you want to make sure that when you’re writing any of your content, and when your website is created, and when you’re doing your branding, that you are thinking of this one person your head, and you’re speaking to only that one person instead of like a collective group.

Justin Trosclair 31:24
Yeah, especially like when you’re marketing.

Unknown 31:26
Yes, totally.

Justin Trosclair 31:28
Any Have you had any in the blogs that you’d like to follow or any books that really helped you create that avatar?

Unknown 31:35
Oh, okay, so who helped me actually Murray for Leo, and it was just a check. But Murray for Leo has this program called the copier. Okay. And her program, and it’s very inexpensive. I think I paid like 300 bucks, and you can go at your own pace. But she has some kicks worksheets, that really asked the right questions to get your client avatar down. Like that’s what she starts to program off, you need to know who you’re talking to, and and create this person on paper. And then you can start your branding and creating your content, all that so that I thought that was a fantastic course for the money that I spent. And the other thing is getting a business coach, hands down having a business coach to help you sort out your ideas, your aspiration, your vision, to make sure that you’re staying on track with where you want to go. And and to you want to talk to um, it’s always nice to have that accountability. It’s hard doing it alone, you know,

Justin Trosclair 32:30
physical therapists have their own management business coaches that are already physical therapists that were really successful, or did you look outside of your own profession?

Unknown 32:39
I looked outside of my own profession. There are though they exist. I think Greg Todd and is one of them to DD and Paul go, God, gh is one of them. Also, Lisa Holland.

Justin Trosclair 32:54
Yes. I interviewed her.

Unknown 32:55
Yes, she was my coach. In the beginning, yep. She was my coach in the beginning helped me find my voice to write my book that I have out and she really liked hope just told me like it is she’s very blunt. And she’s not of the PT mindset, though. And that’s what I really liked. Because I’m not your traditional, I would have to say your traditional PT. You no problem at all, you know, it’s not just going to monitor and measurements and evidence and all that I’m very holistic in my approach. I’m also a certified health coach. So I don’t treat in the mainstream way that you would think a physical therapist would treat I definitely take them through, I take my clients through a bio psychosocial approach to really get down to the root cause because it’s not just physical.

Justin Trosclair 33:44
Yeah, like service, like there’s really stressful, you have to figure out a way to calm them down. And that that could be a big part of just relaxing,

Unknown 33:51
right? Exactly, exactly. And of course, if you need to refer them to a psychologist or a psycho therapist or something like that, that’s definitely warranted. Nice, especially if you think he just can’t take them where they need to go. And they need additional help. By all means, we’re not psychologists, and that’s our scope of practice. But we need to know enough to help incorporate 10 techniques and modalities that are used in all areas of health to be very comprehensive in care.

Justin Trosclair 34:19
I want to go back to your marketing, but what about staff? Do you have staff and how do you hire good stuff? How do you find good staff?

Unknown 34:28
Good question. I’m so so I don’t have people working for me, the only person that I have, by the way that has saved my life, like numerous times is a good to be a virtual assistant. best investment that I’ve ever made. I don’t know. Do you have one?

Justin Trosclair 34:42
No, but I mean, I’ve used like Fiverr to do stuff.

Unknown 34:45
Okay. Yeah, no, no, yeah. fiber. Yeah, it’s for that, like, yeah, I use them to but if I know it’s really simple, yeah, but but a virtual assistant. She’s actually Portland. Oh my god. She’s amazing. I got to give her a shout out. Danielle has been wonderful to me. She She does it all websites. She keeps me on track. I asked her to proofread. She’ll tell me things just don’t look right. What does this mean? Like she’ll tell, not working like she’s really my right hand. Man, honestly, and before her though, I had to kiss a lot of frogs to find her Danielle, because a lot of people will charge you like 45 to $50 an hour, and promise you the moon and back. And they just don’t deliver it. They just don’t deliver and you’re just more stressed. You You probably better off doing it in your own, then paying somebody $50 an hour to do it, to be honest with you. So I think interviewing and being very upfront with your expectations, how you work your personality, and giving them a try, like have a week, let’s work together for a week or a couple weeks or whatever you want to do in the contract to really feel out each other’s like by the project. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Let’s see how you work. So it was very easy website.

Unknown 36:05
To find her. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no, actually, well, no, I used a blog called oh my gosh, want to look this up real quick for you. It’s, it’s on Facebook. It’s it’s called online business, the FX, there’s like 68,726 members, and anything and everything that you want to share in terms of entrepreneurs to lend support, give feedback, share advice, finding resources, that sort of thing. So it’s called online business bf apps. And that’s where I found all the people I wanted to interview and also, Helen, who created my website and designed my website came from online business, BFS, who was fantastic also.

Justin Trosclair 36:49
Yeah, it’s very crisp. I like it. Yeah. I mean, I heard somebody one time, I had a book come out, and I was waiting for this dude to write up a little, you know, like, capture leads and email it dresses and all this and and have an upsell and all this. And I postpone putting this thing off for three weeks all going to donate a week, three weeks later, he still hadn’t got it done. I was like, you’re done. You’re done. I’m done. I’m done with you. I made it myself.

Unknown 37:19
What would

Justin Trosclair 37:20
the excuse, um, I, you know, I think there’s some kind of family thing and then he had like a plugin for WordPress, but like, every time we need, something would happen. Like it would reduce it would mess up whatever he did. And so for whatever reason, just wasn’t very compatible for some reason with what he was trying to do. It always messed it up. And so because it wasn’t his fault, but he still took three weeks to get the job done. And I was getting rather annoyed. At the one star you buddy.

Unknown 37:51
You those reviews, service.

Justin Trosclair 37:55
Get you?

Where

are you again?

Unknown 37:59
Yeah, but kudos to for like, acknowledging like, okay, it’s not gonna work. Like I gave me three weeks. I even extent you know, we set a week you promised it. And how did you did you just say bluntly, just communicated to them? Like, hey, it’s just not working out? Right? I mean,

Justin Trosclair 38:13
what’s the holdup? What’s going on? You said you can get it done. It’s not that complicated. There’s probably things you can do

this for a living.

Get more and more offensive as you go along. And you’re like, dude, you’ve got three days, and I’m going to one star you and I’m going to request my money back. No, no, no, no, please, please have to feed my family and you’re like, didn’t get the job done. Yeah, we want to have

Unknown 38:38
our news. You said you did it yourself. Well, I had to get it.

Justin Trosclair 38:41
He quit. He’s like it’s not gonna it’s not compatible. It’s not gonna work. I was like, Well, now I’m just put up a creek. I got my money back. But it’s like it’s not about the money now. I’m delay the month. Right. So anyway, so I kind of took some of the code that he did and just kind of

Unknown 38:57
Oh, the outsourcing woes.

Justin Trosclair 38:59
Yeah. Good times.

Unknown 39:01
Yeah.

Justin Trosclair 39:03
So so you market Please tell me what are some of your best return on investments? What are you doing that’s working?

Unknown 39:10
word of mouth. Word of mouth is the best investment ever.

Unknown 39:15
It all it all it takes is this one. One client, one patient or one great collaboration with another doctor or something and or another practitioner, for that matter. Doesn’t have to be a doctor but someone that your energies jive, they they we borrow I borrowed or a lot Nashville. So like, if people want to know what I do, they come in first recession, I see them and get a free session. And then we really test each other out. And that’s the best way to really like tell someone and show someone like how you really work to be honest. And they’re like, Oh my god, I love it. So that’s the best for me. So far. Best is word of mouth always has been. And the second is teaching the community. Going out there having some free workshops or paid workshops, whatever floats your boat, but just just speaking directly to again, your ideal niche or ideal niche market your ideal clients. And and, you know, just telling them and showing them that number one you really care. You’re compassionate. It’s all about the month for you. It’s not about me, me, me, me and my degrees. It’s about what how can you help me? I’m desperate. Okay, show me that you care, really? So that’s the best thing I think. And then lastly is Internet Of course. It’s like exploding now and videos. Going like crazy. And video has been really I guess video is taking over. So I

Justin Trosclair 40:39
must be horrible because they got that little sensor the whole time.

Unknown 40:42
me Never. I don’t

Justin Trosclair 40:44
Facebook. Oh, yes. And through.

Unknown 40:48
So I can’t use cock. Clearly. Um, so yeah, we’re gonna have to be really creative because I I’m just starting to launch everything like, you know, this week. So we’re going to be creative and how we do that. So videos I think are good because, you know, you don’t have to write anything. You just post the video. And, and I heard also that you can’t use like the word pelvis even or pelvic because it denotes a body part. I don’t know. So I’m just it’s Yeah, it’s so bizarre. It’s so bizarre. So I we’re gonna have to work around it, but it’s okay. You must not the US like

Justin Trosclair 41:28
saving marriages.

Unknown 41:32
Right, right. Exactly. Like I can’t even say like bodily fluids like pee or poop or anything like so.

Justin Trosclair 41:39
I don’t want to see that.

Unknown 41:42
You’re following right?

Justin Trosclair 41:48
To Quito group. So nasty girls in there, man. Putting all that crazy stuff and then it just becomes this long feed of like all these crazy other posts where the guys jump in but they never start them. It’s always some girl.

Unknown 42:01
Somebody got somebody’s got to do the dirty work.

Justin Trosclair 42:04
All the old 50 year old ladies, they’re always get their notes in this group knows announce it

to this group.

Out here. I didn’t sign up. That’s, that’s right. It’s crazy. I wish you best of luck with the Facebook marketing because I mean, you are gonna have a challenge. But once I think you figure out what to do is probably going to work.

Unknown 42:30
Yeah, I tried to pro pro Pro mode and boost, you know, like $5 ad or some for my book my book. I have some trailers out and stuff and I cannot like I used you know, obviously cock block. And I can’t use that as the hashtags on like,

Unknown 42:44
I’m going to have to reword it somehow. But it’s going to be possible. You just have to be very clever with your words.

Justin Trosclair 42:49
Yeah, I remember I first heard that word. I did it to my brother. Apparently he was not pleased.

Unknown 43:00
Justice, share your story.

Justin Trosclair 43:02
Remember what it was fully? I just remember hearing it and be like, what did I do? Like a freshman in college and high school and

Unknown 43:12
what’s going on?

Justin Trosclair 43:15
I don’t know what that means for you to get your game stronger.

Right, he’s gonna love that. If you ever listen to this podcast, I love it. You know, I didn’t mention this earlier, but I thought it was interesting. Your mom had spinal bifida where she and my brother actually had a two but he was paralyzed waist down from it. So it’s it’s really interesting to see that. There’s that worst case scenario and then there’s kind of spinal bifida where you’re not as affected but you know you have it.

Unknown 43:42
Yeah, see mom mom had at the very tail end. So her sake roll. nerves are impacted more and all complete sensation gone from waist down. But she’s ambulatory ish with the straight gain.

Unknown 43:55
prosthesis for that matter. That was why she had the amputation was because well, she’s from Poland and originally, you know, back in the 60s, you know how that was like medical care and born you know, which was like on a farm. They what they try to do and they met well, where they tried to put rods into correct the clubfoot deformity so that she can so that she doesn’t like, you know, to wear and tear through her shoes. And because she had no sensation, so her feet would get infected a lot. And so they’re like, well, let’s put some ads in your ankles and stiffened them up. And so they did and one surgery, okay, and the other one just got really bad infected and they had to amputate. So, wow. She ended up in the States because Shriners hospitals, Shriners hospitals you know them Yeah, of course. Yeah. That’s Yeah, the brothers. They they took her in, in Chicago and thank you for some excellent rehab care. So that’s fantastic.

Justin Trosclair 44:53
Yeah, grip, I lost his arm. shot it.

This is hilarious is back before some guns had like safety triggers. And he was hunting shot. It went to the doctor friend, he was drunk. And so they have to go to the other doctor. And by that point, like, well, we can’t save your arm. So he was a teenager. So his whole life he just had one arm and you know, at these fun stories to tell kids to speak them out?

Unknown 45:19
loud. My gosh.

Justin Trosclair 45:21
Are you sleeping? And he’s like, I woke up. I was dreaming. I was eating fried chicken. And then when I woke up I was gone. For years like was

Unknown 45:32
again or they have a dream about fried chicken. They’re gonna be like,

Justin Trosclair 45:36
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Crazy.

Yeah, man. amputees. Watch out. Okay, yeah. Just kind of tie a shoe. That’s all. Well, and Bell crows.

Unknown 45:50
Yeah.

Justin Trosclair 45:52
I can’t blame him. So five year goals. Do you have any for yourself? And how do you know if they are worthy of your pursuit?

Unknown 46:00
It’s bad that I don’t have like long term goals. Like I don’t plan it out that way. I’m very like free spirited. I’m more of a short term goal person.

Justin Trosclair 46:08
I don’t I don’t know how you meet five year goals right there.

Unknown 46:11
Yeah, yeah, short term goals action straps, right. I mean, I guess I just know, I see myself taking my practice more virtual and hosting monthly retreats. So I’ve got this six, six day hands on training program and treat that you can come and visit me from all anywhere. And and and get trained by me to treat your own public pain. But I kind of want to just do that a couple times a month and do more of my online have this men’s DIY online thing going out and just kind of being like a coach and helping them virtually get through, you know, navigate through pelvic pain, really. So yeah, that’s where I kind of see things going so I can free up my time and travel more. I love traveling and spend more time outdoors. And there’s a ton of money to be made online, if you can market that correctly. Hello. Any advice?

Justin Trosclair 47:03
Well, give them a plug. A doctor and Osborne. That’s all he does. Now. He he had a he got sick can’t practice chiropractic anymore. Now he’s killing it online. And as he sells, he kind of cells other doctors on like how to do virtual programs, and then whatever, you know, kind of whatever field you want. So if your thing is public pains, know, he’s kind of been doing it for like a year. Okay. Got as it might cut your learning curve. I don’t know. I’ve never taken any of his classes, but I just know that he has an amazing podcast, and he’s transition that into other things. And so, yeah, so

Unknown 47:38
Dr. Osborne, okay.

Justin Trosclair 47:40
Yeah. Thank you, the chiropractic philanthropist.

Unknown 47:43
Oh, sweet.

Justin Trosclair 47:44
You heard that Dr. Ed.

Okay, so we’re talking about your future, we’re talking about virtual classes. And assuming that’s going to get you excited for your future where you you seen this, your specialty going in the next couple of years? Are you wanting to be like a leader in it?

Unknown 48:06
Yeah. Oh, it’s a great question. I mean, I think PT in general, is really moving to be recognized by the community and how their health care providers as a primary care provider. Really Yeah. Because we have direct access in all states is just varies in terms of how much direct access and freedom you have, like for example, in North Carolina where I’m at now, we have complete direct access for evaluation and treatment on no person. Yeah. And in Illinois, whereas practicing before we had partial direct access, where we can evaluate someone without a referral, but we cannot treat without a referral. So yeah, I know right because to just evaluates and doesn’t like treat at the same time I just don’t get it anyway. Don’t get me started it’s all politics but and insurance companies so anyway, I think a lot of our profession it we’re moving into a private, private practice based model where we can be where we have more freedom to really help people the way we originally thought we were going to help people when we first went to PT school. Without the restrictions and limitations of insurance. You know what I mean?

Justin Trosclair 49:16
Getting out of the some of the doctor, the medical doctors, but are you going more cash practice? Or is insurance still pretty good to where nobody’s really trying to get out of that system quite yet.

Unknown 49:26
Allah depends on where you talked to, I think and what their goal is, you know, they’ve got I don’t know, I guess yeah, I guess it depends on I don’t take insurance I’m just solely cash based because I prefer my goal is to be able to provide really good care and be able to spend as much time as I like without having to worry about restrictions from insurance and and for pelvic pain. insurance doesn’t cover things like, Oh, you have paying with sex. Well, that’s not a functional activity.

Unknown 50:00
That’s how you like keep the world going my procreating so I picked. Okay, I guess I guess it’s not functional at all. You wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for sex anyway. But needless to say, I yeah, I have some qualms about it. And some issues clearly. But yeah, so I just removed myself because then I can actually talk to them about functional, functional coaching conversation and not having to worry about, you know, crossing lines and insurance not covering it. And, and really a lot of these hands on modalities like visceral therapy and neural manipulation, and, you know, connect knit connective tissue mobilization, dry needling, they’re not being covered by insurance. So then we as practitioners are like, Oh, we have to cheat the system and say, we have to quote it differently. And you know, and then you’re just all worried about your documentation and all that sort of thing. So it takes it takes the passion out of like, what we do, I think so. Yeah. I hope that as time progresses, that more and more clinicians and therapists will start to see the light and move away from a, you know, insurance based, you know, clinical model to more of a cash based wellness preventative type model. And you heard, have

Justin Trosclair 51:12
you heard of Jared Carter, the physical therapist that has the podcast on the show die. He just has a podcast on a cash practice physical therapy. So his entire podcast is trying to

Unknown 51:27
make you guys successful. But there’s so many like, Karen, let’s see, have you ever care? Let’s see.

Unknown 51:33
being smart podcast. Yeah. She’s She’s like similar. I think she is physical therapy based. Its health, wellness and business use the original. She’s a real I think so. I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t get involved that I don’t want to step on anyone’s toes. I love you all. So I don’t know. I’m sorry. I didn’t know we were injured. Yeah, it’s, they’re doing great. And I’m glad they’re getting the word out there. Because I think we as a professional, just fearful, like some of us are fearful from like, the security right? Of it’s like a scarcity mentality, right? It’s like, oh, if I leave the hospital setting, or if I leave the, you know, clinical Corporation setting, I mean, we have all my benefits, and what about my vacation time, and honestly, I’ve more vacation time now than I’ve ever even dreamed up, because I control my schedule, and I see less patients, but I make more money than I would if I were working 4050 hours a week for the man. So it’s, it’s honestly, it’s just comfort, right? comfort levels

Justin Trosclair 52:28
is definitely mindset, because assuming you work for an hour, hundred and 2200 $300

an hour, you know, whatever it is that you charge you, you have to get your mind around, like, I’m worth it, they’re willing to pay for it. And maybe if you offer 10 visits, you can get a discount or something like that, because you know, that many are anyway?

Unknown 52:47
Absolutely. Heck yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, and that’s the thing, and it took me, I still kind of struggle with that asking for money, but it’s an energetic exchange, you know, it’s not just what you’re doing with them in that moment, but it’s all your education that you’ve you’ve completed and that you continue to do to perfect your skills, and to be the best clinician that you can be in all the time that you spend emailing them back and forth and researching for them. And, you know, like, being on call pretty much anytime that, that they they need you, right? I mean, you know, and giving them a whole hour one on one to be with them versus like being with an assistant or an aid, right, you’ll five minutes a minute Oh, there you go. You’re off your own doing exercises, like, you know, that’s not really skilled care in my eyes.

Justin Trosclair 53:32
Do without a member. So you’ve learned how to schedule your people to not have that extra expense?

Unknown 53:39
Yes, absolutely. Like, you know, I can only handle like four or five a day like maximum because it’s more of an energy because pelvic pain in general is very, you know, it’s very, very tough flat. Yeah, not everyone likes to work with patients that have persistent pain, chronic, you know, living these, these guys are kind of tough, but they’re fun. They’re challenging, and they don’t have to be tough. It just depends on your mindset. Yeah, I like I like being very free and the way I practice so I make sure I schedule enough time in between them. So I can ground myself and then see the next client and so forth and so on. And then I only treat three days a week, I and then I leave Mondays and Fridays for the you know, the behind the scenes stuff, catching up on paperwork, and making sure that I’m, you know, having my content out and creating content and launching my programs and, you know, being a for a mom to some for babies and a husband, you know, so I’m living my life and having some fun. So if you can do that for yourself and you feel refreshed and energized, then you will be a better clinician versus being burnt out and drained and constantly like, you know, in the rat race, it takes a toll on you. That’s fantastic.

Justin Trosclair 54:51
You take off Mondays and Fridays. So you have a four day can every every week,

Unknown 54:57
every week Wow. Say it, it’s so amazing.

Unknown 55:01
Well, if I’m working when I get to work like right now and my my my deck talking to having a wonderful conversation, which is also is all about, you know, collaborating and meeting new people and learning and I can do that. And I’m still still make money being cash based practice and against this, it’s an abundance type mindset versus the scarcity. Like I’m not freaking out when a patient cancels, Oh, my gosh, only annoy people this week and somebody cancelled Am I going to get that? That money because it happens. And then you know, and whenever you just relax, you’ll get a brand new event, like maybe two or three in the same week, you know, private practice is always up and down, you’ll have slow days, you’ll have really, really busy days. But it’s all happening the right time. I think, especially for me anyway, because launching and, you know, launching these new things that I have going on, it’s a full time job. So although I’m not seeing patients in the clinic, I’m still working behind the scenes to you don’t communicate with my followers and network and collaborate and still learn and read and

Unknown 56:07
ever. But I get to do it from the comfort of my own home in my jammies with my cup of coffee. Yeah.

Justin Trosclair 56:14
I don’t want this to come off sexes. So you have a husband? You said yes. assuming he works. Your doctor physical therapy, you have your private practice, you work through the week, if he wasn’t there, assuming he contributes? Would you be able to support the entire family?

Unknown 56:28
No. Well, actually, I am going to take that back.

Unknown 56:33
Okay, so we moved from Illinois, we sold all our stuff. So my husband was a BMW mechanic who owned and operated his own shop back at home back in Illinois. We Yeah, so when we moved, he sold his shop to someone. So we had some capital, which he sold his rental property, and we sold her house, so we had some capital. Okay, that’s just how I’m able to do what I’m doing right now. Now, right, that’s not to say that he didn’t reinvent is this capital in another entrepreneur venture, with or in a restaurant with a partner, and we bought a house here. So we really don’t have any more capital, or any savings or cushion, I will say that right now, however, and he doesn’t have a job he’s His job is, was, you know, make, there’s a lot of construction going on at this current house. We’re doing an Airbnb for our in law suite. So he’s actually that’s his job of maintaining and managing it, and also working at the restaurant to get things going. So although he’s not bringing in physical income, he has really helped me because he takes care of all the rest of the stuff, house bills, everything, I mean, I would not be able to do it if it weren’t for his help, like cooking and going grocery shopping, because I just don’t have time. And now I can actually focus on, you know, getting my book out, you know, making content, having, you know, PC, my clients, I’m doing everything for my business without having to worry about everything else. Like it’s just he’s just been such a wonderful support. Honestly,

Justin Trosclair 58:02
that’s amazing. That is, that’s what I like to hear, you know, had a woman series. And that was some of the things that some of the women were talking about was having a man that is okay, and this is take a step back, like, okay, I don’t necessarily have to be the provider, my wife is capable of doing this. And if we do it, and the reason why I asked was if you only see, like 12 a week, I was like, Oh, wait, what’s the feasibility of this creating enough income with this limited schedule? where somebody who’s out there? Like, that sounds fantastic. And then they start crunching numbers in there like, Hmm, I don’t know.

Unknown 58:35
Right? You know, and it is it’s possible because honestly, so I, I charge enough. So like, my evaluations are two hours long, and I charge you know, double that, obviously. And, again, people are willing to pay that because they they they connect with you right away from your website, they talk I make sure to call it say they they schedule online, I always call and make an effort to communicate with them on a personal level. Can I have Is there any answers I can any questions I can answer for you before your appointment, what’s going on, tell me your story, that sort of thing. And you will kind of hook them right away. It’s not just all virtual, because you don’t want to lose that like you know, that little bit of personality and that trust right off the bat. You know, you don’t want it to be all all internet and really just showing them that you care you took the time out of your day to call them they love it. It’s great. That and honestly, we have other I’m not just like our income just doesn’t come from like me being a PT and my clients my income is coming from the Airbnb that we made, you know, that’s helping to pay our mortgage, and I don’t have any I don’t have a car payment. I don’t have you know, I have no credit card bills or debt. You know, I make sure that that’s all taken care of. So really, it’s just my student loans that’s whole nother topic for other crap. Wow. But and those aren’t completely paid for but getting there honestly and you do what you can you chip away a little bit at a time and you know, we’re not extravagant. I’m not you know, going out to eat every day cook at home we we kind of reserve what we have and and do what we can to get by but it’s enough, it’s enough to make sure that we’re staying afloat.

Justin Trosclair 1:00:15
So and I’m not judging because I think you should have multiple streams of revenue. So that if something does happen, yeah, really? host

Unknown 1:00:23
Yes.

Justin Trosclair 1:00:25
Yes. Resource here.

Unknown 1:00:26
Yeah, yeah. That’s why that’s why having this book and these programs and this online thing. That’s what I’m hoping for is to get, you know, more passive income to help supplement up.

Justin Trosclair 1:00:38
Last couple questions. You ready? We’re going to just more personal fun stuff.

Unknown 1:00:42
You mean it wasn’t first know already?

Justin Trosclair 1:00:48
The last 10 minutes or so talking about income and everything. That’s that’s that’s pretty personal. Yeah. But but do you have any hobbies or volunteering or anything fun that gets your mind off of work?

Unknown 1:01:01
love that question.

Unknown 1:01:05
Yes, I my hobbies, my things. For fun. I like being outdoors. So I’m a huge hiker. And I love being in nature. So that’s why we moved to Asheville North really is to be in nature. So playing with my dogs wrestling, Dharma, I actually practice Dharma, which is a form of meditation, and I attend classes several times a week and meditate at home. So it just keeps me sane and grounded and, you know, keeps me less clutter in my mind and having a peaceful mind even amidst the chaos and very important. So I like to do that. I like to cook and I like to have friends over. I like to travel,

Justin Trosclair 1:01:42
healthy cooker or deep frying.

Unknown 1:01:44
Okay. Oh, well, we just deep fried chicken of the woods, which is like a mushroom that grew in our backyard, because it was recommended that would deep fry it. We have a deep fryer. That was the only like, so it’s semi healthy. But we wanted to experiment But no, generally we Yeah, gluten free dairy free. I had some issues with chronic sinusitis. So I had to really like and stress obviously didn’t help. So I had to really make some health changes. And it’s been great. No, yeah, we love it. Fresh vegetables. Yeah, perfect.

Justin Trosclair 1:02:15
You know, it’s hard enough to give up gluten. But when you actually have a real condition that gets better when you’re off it. You’re like, I just have to live my life now. Yeah. And you’re not completed.

Unknown 1:02:25
For real. I mean, I student It’s no joke. As soon as I one week, all it took was one week layoff the gluten lay off the the creams and the dairy. I had no congestion. I still don’t have any congestion anymore. And now I can actually cheat once in a while. But I know what causes it right. I’m like, Oh, yeah, I did. Like let myself go a little bit. I had this this list, but whatever. Like I treated myself and it’s fine. I’m not going to kill myself over it. But yeah, it really makes a difference. And I’m pretty like gung ho about it. It feels good. The eighth.

Justin Trosclair 1:02:58
I can think of several people in my life that if they would try it, they’d probably see a difference. But yeah, good luck. Good luck, getting them to get off of it without having the poops. Because

Unknown 1:03:09
I hear you.

Justin Trosclair 1:03:10
Right here. Alright, so you and your husband are super busy. How do you keep the love alive and feeling connected?

Unknown 1:03:17
Yay. Great question. I love this question. It’s, I think it’s because we have fun and we’d like to be like kids once in a while, you know, like, maybe we’ll like, you know, tease each other in a playful way. Or, like we call each other like nickname some weird stuff like that. Not to get too personal, but it’s fun. And then we always make time to, you know, goof off to dance in our house when nobody’s watching, you know, Russell with our dogs, and we make sure we have date nights and make dinner together. Because he is he’s the cook and he goes grocery shopping. So when I come home, I make sure to help and do the dishes and all that sort of thing. So and we make sure to eat together like in silence sign in front of the TV, you know, like will go out on our deck and just absorb the nature and really hike and travel. So it’s, it’s it’s quite a complimentary relationship. And it’s funny how it works because like, I’ll have like a day where I’m just having a poopy day, and he’ll have like, the best day of his life and, and he’ll like lift my spirits up, you know, and we’re not feeding into each other’s negative attitudes. Were actually just changing the script around for each other, which is nice. And and it happens vice versa. So yeah.

Justin Trosclair 1:04:32
It makes me happy.

Great, great relationships. It sounds like

Unknown 1:04:36
yes, thank you very blessed.

Justin Trosclair 1:04:39
Yeah, definitely. You talked about meditation, anything else maybe in the morning or in the lunch that you do routinely to just get you grounded and ready for the rest of the day?

Unknown 1:04:48
Yes, so like, okay, so I set up my alarm 15 minutes earlier than I wouldn’t really wake up because I’m a notorious Newser. And I just want to give myself that 15 minutes to lay in bed and just enjoy, you know, cuddle time with my husband or whatever. And then I you know, you go to the bathroom, I always have my routine, same time, same place.

Unknown 1:05:10
Toilet habits, you know, and I get to personal way, do the routine and give me the receipt,

Unknown 1:05:19
shower, brush your teeth, all that sort of thing. And then I’ll will make coffee will walk the boys, we always walk our dogs, Sammy and Landon. And that’s about 2030 minutes and we get back home, I make a little breakfast, and then I meditate for about 15 minutes on my deck. And then I start my day, so I never want to feel rushed. I always was like that when I was back in Illinois was like crazy, busy. And everyone’s like super rat race. Here. Life is a little slower in the south. And everyone’s got time for everything and practicing meditation and Dharma has really like be cluttered my head and I have more time to do so much more now than I did when I felt like I was super busy and like packed with everything. Like I can even put more on my play and still feel balanced on grounded. So it’s cool. So bizarre, but you only you have to like experience it for yourself to really understand what I’m saying. I think otherwise, it’s just whoo, whoo.

Unknown 1:06:11
Yeah.

Unknown 1:06:13
So yeah, that’s my morning and then I go to clinic or I start my day on the computer or something like that. So

Justin Trosclair 1:06:20
yeah, any favorite books, blogs or podcasts that you secretly love? Some that you would actually totally recommend to others?

Unknown 1:06:28
Yes. Oh, so, so hard to keep like to a minimum, but I’m gonna I’m gonna do it as much as I can hear. My favorite blog recently is actually it’s called pain drain. And it’s written by a former client of mine, a hands on training participant who had the after seeing me had the courage to talk about his story, living with pelvic pain for several years. He is hilarious. He’s hilarious. Like, it’s a dude who’s living with pelvic pain, who’s telling his story from the day well, and honestly, you should really check it out. It’s so truthful, raw, honest, and it can really relate to a lot of men who are suffering with public pain. I think it’s very hopeful and optimistic. So and funny. He says, It’s such a sense of humor, great guy on so I love reading his stuff. I’ll read it, like pretty much every day when he posts a new post. I love it. I love seeing him grow. And

Unknown 1:07:24
my other favorite so that’s my favorite thing to read in terms of blogs, my favorite book right now and I’m all about like the Dharma. It’s how to transform your life by getcha Cal Cal saying get so say that 10 times fast. But it’s all about it’s a book that’s logical. And it helps you to cultivate a peaceful mind and finding the true meaning of happiness. So that’s also an excellent read very down to earth. quick read and podcasts that I think are fun and just to kind of like not think about work related Jeff, Tim Ferriss, I think he’s hilarious. He’s informative, he silly and it’s just right up my alley. So if I ever just want to like chill and listen to some of the new car, that’s funny, I popped him in. And for the more serious types out there, I would definitely recommend Karen live please. We already talked about her podcast healthy, wealthy and smart. It’s got a physical therapy geared

Unknown 1:08:23
you know, guests on it. Anywhere anywhere from health, wellness and business related topics. And this one is second one is pain science and sensibility, which I love. I love this one. Because I hate reading research articles personally. They so Sandy Hilton and Corey Blick and staff are the hosts. And they actually digest they’ll take an article of the week or the month or however frequent they do it. And they digest the article critiquing it doing like literature review, critiquing it, and then give you the application of it at the end, how to apply this new information. And it’s all about pain science. I love it. Love, love, love. I cannot stress that enough. It’s great. So though, that’s what I would recommend, as far as my talents,

Justin Trosclair 1:09:09
but that last one sounds really good. Any other question? Sure. If somebody is, especially in the south, but you’re in Asheville, so that’s a little that’s an anomaly. Like,

like the boulder of the South.

Guess just stuff, yoga stuff, meditation stuff, you’re going to have people that are like, I’m Christian, or I follow some other religion and like good, that’s against, you know, quote, unquote, that’s against what I do. What do you say to that? Can you match both at the same time? And it’d be okay. Can you figure out a way to do it both without like violating your conscious or anything?

Unknown 1:09:42
Oh, yeah, totally. I mean, I was raised Catholic, and I go to church and stuff. And yeah, no, totally, cuz I’m Buddhism and all that and meditating. It’s just about just creating some headspace really, it’s not trying to like change, change you in any way to like, convert, you know, to some monk monastery type thing. It really is just practical ways to help curb anxiety, practical ways to help defuse agar annoyance and applying it in your life, you know, like, and it really does create for just a better for me, I’m a better human being because of it. And I am more clear in my head and, and you can certainly mash both of them. But it’s it’s everyone’s comfort level to you know, and it’s not for everyone. I’m not going around preaching. Like you need to do like in my clinic, no, not at all. I will I will be concepts like patient acceptance, especially with pain. Yeah, totally. Because it’s not just meditation and Buddhism, it’s, you know, you have to stop resisting what’s happening so that you can let go the tension in your body, you know, that sort of thing. And it’s a fine art. Fine Art. Totally.

Justin Trosclair 1:10:54
I mean, I just hear a lot of that stuff. And sometimes, you know, depending on the area of view, where you live, like, you know, the south or the Bible Belt there for a reason. That’s what’s called right.

Unknown 1:11:04
Yeah, no, totally. I mean, you have to have to be open to you know, no judgment at the end of the day as a as a practitioner as a professional. There’s certainly no damage judgment and I always always listen to my client and make sure that I am I am nourishing them in a way that’s conducive to the way they like to learn to the conducive way that they like to heal and and their vision. It’s ultimately their life and their vision. So I just helped them on that path.

Justin Trosclair 1:11:32
Yeah. Final question. What is your favorite phone app business or personal?

Unknown 1:11:39
Can I give you one that’s business and personal, but I use for both?

Justin Trosclair 1:11:43
Like a mullet. Okay.

Unknown 1:11:47
Spotify,

Unknown 1:11:49
Spotify, I love music. I use the app to play relaxing music in the clinic. So I went I’m in the clinic I put like spa music on or buying by neural total alpha waves, beta waves, beta waves, whatever. And then and then when I’m driving home I like rock out to my tunes. You know? I love Spotify is by far the the app that I use most frequently. So yeah, that’s good.

Justin Trosclair 1:12:16
Oh, what’s your what’s your genre music since you mentioned it.

Unknown 1:12:19
Genre music What’s the news? I heard my brother was telling me he’s like four years younger than me. He’s like, it’s called dance No. emo dance on data know dance music. They’re calling it something different EDM.

Unknown 1:12:36
Thank you. I was like, What is EDM? electronic dance music Sis, I’m like, Oh, god.

Unknown 1:12:43
What about like, just dance music?

Justin Trosclair 1:12:45
No, that’s totally Yeah, I got into that a couple years ago like Morgan page and hardware and like rehab and all those guys. So good. Three minutes and the songs over it’s not like this deep bass was like boom, boom, man. And then the other I can’t take that for 20 minutes, guys.

Unknown 1:13:01
Oh, me neither. No technique stuff. No, no, I don’t like techno. I like like, I like jazz. I mean, it just depends on the mood. Like if I’m, I’m feeling like a pumped I need to get pumped up. I’ll put on some more upbeat music if I feel like I just need to chill and have some like, you know, calming mood music like soft alternative or something like that. I’ll do that or classical or you don’t really anything, I’ve got all sorts of smorgasbord of music lists playlists.

Justin Trosclair 1:13:29
Sometimes you gotta get crunk out there

Unknown 1:13:30
Yeah, sometimes

Justin Trosclair 1:13:33
cook it up that’s it. There’s no you know, you can’t you can’t grind on the dance floor if your pelvic pain to don’t match.

Unknown 1:13:41
Exactly your there’s no pelvic thrusting on the dance floor when you’re in pain, right? You got there like

Unknown 1:13:49
john john travolta and like Boogie Nights,

Justin Trosclair 1:13:52
you know, it’s not happening. But you know, whereas with that be sitting around. That’s right.

Oh my goodness, that’s a good way to end the podcast right there.

Unknown 1:14:04
So totally.

Justin Trosclair 1:14:06
How can people get in touch with you and get more information and find everything that’s going on with Dr. Susie?

Unknown 1:14:12
Oh, my website is the best way and signing up for my newsletter. So Dr. Susie g.com. And that’s su si e GE com yeah, they can they can sign up get a free chapter and and follow me and I usually post on Facebook I’m on Facebook as well at Dr. Seuss eg and Instagram doctor with a period Dr. dot Susie juice all the abbreviated Dr. Yeah. Someone someone had the know period one already. So I couldn’t take that one. But anyways, right? Yeah, yeah, they can connect with me various ways, and they can always shoot me shoot me an email at support at Dr. Susie g.com for any questions or anything that I can do to help. I’m here Very good. any parting words? You know, I have to say, if you’re in pain, or you have anyone that’s her you’re working with anyone that’s living in pain. The best encouragement is to give them the approval to go out there and live their life the way they want to live it not when the pain goes away. Not yesterday, not tomorrow, but today. Very

Justin Trosclair 1:15:13
good. Thank you. Susie, thank you so much for being on the show. I know the audience is going to have a lot information to crunch so I really appreciate your time.

Unknown 1:15:23
Thank you so much. It’s been a blast having having being on the show with you as well. Justin, thank you so much.

Justin Trosclair 1:15:30
Dr. Susie way to find a niche, my goodness sounds like you love what you do so much passion for it. Best of luck continuing to grow your clinic in your presence and your voice as well as the Airbnb. Thanks again for being on the show. Dr. Susie g.com pick up a book it just came out. And the travel tip is at the end of the episode.

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